The Greatest Athlete to every box

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  1. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was wondering about that too, as I do about Jeffries. Apparently not, though. He ran the hundred yard dash in 9.6 seconds and put the shot 57 feet 9 1/4 inches in California state high school track meets.

    It all seems to be legitimate, and he achieved these figures as a teenager. Rather than pursue track, Powell signed a professional baseball contract and played minor league baseball but gave that up to play in the NFL. He was the youngest man ever to start for an NFL team when he started for the San Francisco 49ers in 1952. After playing two seasons for the 49ers, he took up boxing in 1954, went back to gridiron football in 1955, back to boxing in 1958 and hit the top ten in 1959 when he ko'd Nino Valdes.

    Powell seems to have been a man with the potential to be an Olympic decathlon champion, but had a totally unfocused career, bouncing from sport to sport and never staying in one long enough to reach the top. His first love seems to have been boxing. He was limited in that sport by a weak jaw.


    *Just as an aside, he looks a clumsy oaf in the boxing ring off the limited film I have seen.
     
  2. hhascup

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    In 1950, as a 6'-3", 230-pound defensive end and offensive end, with tremendous power and speed, he was named the California high school football player of the year. In track, he ran 100 yards in 9.6 seconds and threw the Shot Put 57 feet 9¼ inches. In basketball, he was a second-team all-league center. As a high school baseball player, he hit balls out of San Diego Balboa Stadium.

    Actually the High School Shot Put weighs 12 pounds, the College and Olympic one weighs 16, so he really wasn't 13" off the World record.
     
  3. TheGreatA

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    Powell vs the ATG Keene Simmons:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cORMVijZh1k[/ame]


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    You could see he was athletic.

    He could punch a bit too as evident here against Charlie Que:

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    Unfortunately all this didn't translate to much success in the ring:

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    Powell on the receiving end of a first round KO:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_s1ohwBbJA[/ame]


    A cartoon:

    http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/File:Powell.Charley.Carroll.jpg
     
  4. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    On the shot being 12 pounds rather than 16---thanks for the clarification, Henry. It does take the lustre somewhat off that one. The speed in the 100 yards is still impressive, though.


    *Good press agent writing for Powell. You tell the truth, but leave out key facts that the less informed, such as myself, miss and so jump to the wrong conclusion. The article I read on Powell being the greatest athlete ever to play for the 49er's did not clarily that.
     
  5. MRBILL

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    Again, nobody said **** back to me, but I thought Jim J. Jeffries broke some records prior to 1900........ WTF?

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  6. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Okay.

    My main point in even raising Powell was to comment on Jeffries. Some argue that Jeffries is somehow better than this or that later champion because he was "such a great athlete" but Powell, and some other great athletes, prove that being a great athlete doesn't mean much of anything in boxing. What other sport tests whether you can take a punch to the chin? Powell, by the way, looks more like an oaf than a great athlete in the limited footage I have seen of him.

    Jeffries, though, was a great champion who cleaned out the division in his day. What he could do in dashes or shotputs or whatever is irrelevant.

    My error concerning the shotput underscores the difficulty of judging supposed athletic performance from decades back. Perhaps Jeff ran a hundred in 10 flat. Perhaps he did so from a running start, too. Do we know? Maybe the high jumps are not what they seem either. Unless he competed in official track meets, most of these figures are suspect.
     
  7. hhascup

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    Jeffries had a lot more than just a modern heavyweights size and great strength going for him; he was also an outstanding natural athlete. John Durant, wrote in The Heavyweight Champions, “He was surprisingly fast and agile. He could run 100 yards in 11 seconds, (some claimed he ran under 11 seconds) and high jump 5 feet, 10 inches,” (Another sources says that Jeffries was also nimble and could purportedly high jump over six feet). That is absolutely remarkable for a man of his size. The world record in 1900 for the 100 yard dash was a little under ten seconds. While working as a sparring partner for James J. Corbett, Jeffries consistently out sprinted Corbett. Corbett was an outstanding all around athlete and had never lost a footrace to any of his campmates. That a heavyweight boxer, not a track and field athlete, can accomplish such feats is the mark of an excellent athletic talent.

    Eyewitness referee Billy Roche concurred saying Jeffries had the "acrobatic springiness of a circus tumbler in his legs. He was no lumbering ox, anchored to one spot, but a natural athlete."
     
  8. MRBILL

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    I just wish that Jimmy Jeff had the benefit of quality film and video like the post 30s heavies have received....... All of Jeff's footage is obscure and crude........ It makes it tuff as a dollar steak to get a good read there........ Cheers.....

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  9. Boxed Ears

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    If only I could play basketball with my gloves on. :hey
     
  10. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wish we could see a lot of the oldtimers, BUT I guess we just have to go by what we read.
     
  11. Seamus

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    I have a beer belly am 40 years old and can still run faster and jump higher than that. These are not idle boasts. The fact is those marks just aren't that impressive.
     
  12. MRBILL

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    And I hate that, too............... I don't like to judge a man's greatness based on what I read in the paper or a magazine....... I like clean film footage........... And prior to 1930, clean footage is tuff to come by.......

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  13. MRBILL

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    I just watched a classic old flick called "The Big House" with Wallace Beery and Chester Morris from 1930........ CLASSIC!!

    Chester Morris later had a role as the head of the boxing commish in the '69 film: "The Great White Hope" that starred James Earl Jones....... Morris was ill with cancer during the shoot and kicked-off in 1970........

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  14. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are not all that old, are you?

    It is unusual to find one of you young fellows watching an old black and white movie from way back.
     
  15. MRBILL

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    Age 43, but I'm convinced I lived a previous life......... I get these flashbacks that are not LSD induced........ WORD!
    :deal:hat

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