Tua Versus Marciano

Don't waffle, KN. How do you really feel?

 

I doubt too many Heavies would be upright after tasting this ...

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...so it's not as if Tua could just wade in swinging either.

Personally I think it would be a phone booth type of fight where Rocky's superior stamina,workrate,two fisted attack and body work would give him an edge on Tua over 15.

 

What exactly did evolve? Please explain this claim.

 

Even Rocky's great chin would have difficulty dealing with the kind of shot Tua landed on Ruiz.

But I doubt he would land like that. Rocky's defence was sufficient to keep David from landing his best. And Tua would eat a lot of hard punches.

Rocky's bobbing style and awkward angles leads me to call this in his favour by a clear decision. If stamina plays much of a role ( and it could well do) over 15 rounds, I coulld also see Marciano stopping Tua.

 

Aye,Sugar Ray Robinson and Ezzard Charles were only practicing a rough draft in the 50's of the perfected art form we're privileged to watch today.



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Marciano by clear UD.


Oh and for anyone touting Tua's hand speed, he's not even close to the faster-than-Tyson superhuman you think he is and Rocky has the speed advantage.

 

Tua is faster, has the more proven chin, can perhaps work at just as fast a pace (I'll go onto explain these statements). People assume Marciano can outbox Tua because the 5'9 man was outboxed from the outside by 6'3'-6'6 with 80inch reaches, fast hands and excellent jabs. Since when has Rocky boxed in such a manner and since when does he have those physical advantages?

This would be a fight at close quarters. People talk about 'Rocky's underrated defense', well that may well be true, but he often got hit very clean quite often and Tua's speed and the lack of range between the 2 men would see him land the left hook often. Plus if Marciano took his usually tactic of going into a crouch, it wouldn't work against a 5'9 left hook bomber. Tua's defense is actually very underrated, excellent head movement, tight guard, good parrying. Tua's defense is the better of the 2 here I feel

As for 'Marciano being faster than Tua', well Tua's speed is underrated, it doesn't look fast sometimes because he has massive range disadvantages, but few HWs throw a left hook quicker. Tua's very explosive, Marciano has very good timing but hes not fast.

As for 'Marciano having the better stamina' well yes he does but Tua's output against Ibeaubuchi in his prime set punch stat records, nothing wrong with his stamina/workrate, thats pretty much a none factors

So as a fight its going to be toe-toe, mid range or inside type of fight. In this type of scenario we have to ask the question 'how will each man be able to take the other man's power'. Marciano has never fought anyone who hit nearly as hard as Tua and hes been down/hurt, has a smaller frame and physically weaker. This indicates he's going to have problems taking Tua's punches, most men in history would. Tua has taken the best punches from even bigger punches like Lewis, Ibeaubuchi, Maskeev, Rahman. Because of that I see Marciano being the 1 hurt and backed up and when you back up on Tua and hes coming for you with bombs and you're in trouble.

Marciano needs to somehow back Tua up, maybe he could use angles/pressure to back Tua up to take his power away, but I don't think he can. I think its toe-toe with Tua backing him up and stopping him somewhere around the mid rounds, maybe even early

 

How could you possibly look at David Tua and copnclude that he represented an evolutionary advance over Marciano?

 

I think it hinges on the size of their testicles, so I go for Rocky .Tua swallowed it against Lewis, imo.

 

I would be minded to give Marciano the edge based on consistency, work ethic and yes testicles.

I would not be shocked to get proven wrong however.

I do fancy that Marciano was harder to hit cleanly because he moved more.

 

Rocky uses his speed, defensive skill and jab to decision Tua ...

Can we be serious ? Tua early, very.

 

Tua by KO

 

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And what would Marciano do different against LEwis, lunge in and get knocked out for his trouble? The sports called boxing not chicken

 

For one thing, he would probably value his shot at the title and not show up several pounds over his best weight.