How did you score Haye/Valuev?

icemax · Jun 9, 2010

treeve said: ↑

Willie pep has http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sourc...v-jGDQ&usg=AFQjCNHaI1iMBzhHpC99LyurX3OFZONGPg
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Urban myth...don't believe evrything that you read on the internet...have you seen the Graves fight? If you had you would know the story is bull**** and was debunked years ago

TheUnstoppable · Jun 9, 2010

Whereabouts in Yorkshire are you icemax?

RDJ · Jun 9, 2010

TheUnstoppable said: ↑

Again you're missing the point, it's irrelevant how many he landed/threw in and of itself. In comparison to Valuev's output/effort he was significantly more successful.
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No he wasn't, that's my point. Except in round twelve.

TheUnstoppable said: ↑

The numbers were dire, but Haye landed a handful of clean hard shots in every round. Boring ass 1-2's and stuff but they were clear and landed well. Same can't be said for Valuev.
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No he did not. No handful of clean hard shots was landed in any round except the twelfth, by either fighter.

icemax · Jun 9, 2010

Boxed Ears said: ↑

Fine, let's address some of my generalizations. Do you or do you not pledge your allegiance to the queen?
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:huh No

RDJ · Jun 9, 2010

RDJ said: ↑

Just for shits and giggles I will rewatch the fight and score it. My unofficial "glancing" score was 120-119. I replayed everything that landed a few times without the sound to make sure I wasn't scoring blocked punches. I've been generously awarding rounds instead of scoring them draws because the difference was so small.

Round one:
Valuev: 1 right hand to the head and 1 jab
Haye: 2 right hand bodyshots and 3 jabs to the stomach

Nothing happened really.

Draw (10-10)

Round two:
Valuev: a few soft jabs
Haye: a few jabs to the body, 1 right hand

Again **** happened. Haye landed a right.

Haye (19-20)

Round three:
Valuev: a couple of jabs
Haye: few jabs, a barely connecting left hand, and a glancing right hand to the neck

Again nothing at all.

Draw (29-30)

Round four:
Valuev: barely connecting left hook, weak right hand, patting right hand, right hand body punch
Haye: nothing at all

I stopped counting the silly petty pat jabs from both men. Valuev "threw" his first right hand. Haye landed one single left hook on Valuevs right glove, the rest was thrown too scared and he was fleeing before the punches could land.

Valuev (39-39)

Round five:
Valuev: glancing pathetic right hand, two body punches and a right hook
Haye: right hand arm punch

Loved the Sky commenting about 1.30 minute in, Haye needs to do a "bit more" when he did not land anything for a solid 4:30 minute already. Haye attempts a left hook right hook combination almost 20 seconds later, but it's blocked and all he lands is an arm punch right hand after it. Haye starts his dumb sumo posing at the end of the round and misses some more.

Valuev (49,48 )

Round six:
Valuev: right hand body shot to the kidney (Haye was running away to the other side so it scores)
Haye: patting right hand body punch, good left hook

First attempted punch by either man is a Valuev right that's blocked, about a minute into the round. Another blocked left hook about 30 seconds later. Haye throws a blocked left hook and a missing right hand after that. With a minute left in the round, Haye connects a solid lead left hook to the temple, probably the best punch so far. Haye almost connects another right but hits Valuev with his lower arm instead because it was telegraphed and the slow Valuev almost ducked it. Haye throws a left right but it's blocked, the drunk crowd goes wild though. Haye lands his lower arm again a second before the bell. A Haye round, and that's extremely generous again, because of a single left hook.

Haye (58, 58 )

To be continued, can't believe I'm still watching this abomination.
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RDJ said: ↑

In between rounds his corner told Haye not to get drunk from the success he was having

Round seven:
Valuev: partially blocked right hand, patting right, partially blocked left hook, right hand, touched Haye with a right hand
Haye: weak right hand with the inside of the glove, left hook to the neck, soft right hand

Valuev partially lands a right hand about 20 seconds in. Another Valuev pat on the head lands when Haye ducks to about knee level on the ropes a minute in. Sky commenting notes that Valuev is by no means a puncher according to Holyfield, Haye in the meantime is on his bike. About 1:30 minutes into the round Haye throws his first punch, and barely lands the inside of the glove on Valuevs head after a blocked left. Valuev lands a partially blocked left hook. Haye lands a soft right hand to the chin. Haye lands a left hook to the neck with 50 seconds left, Valuev counters him with a right that hits the jaw. Haye blocks a Valuev right on the ropes, 20 seconds left. Valuev barely lands a right, Haye wildly swings at him and misses because Valuev was fast enough to duck. I'm giving it to Valuev as he was more aggressive and the only real punch was his.

Valuev (68, 67)

Round eight:
Valuev: right hand, glancing left hook,
Haye: glancing left uppercut

Valuev lands a right hand around the two minute mark. The crowd goes wild on a Haye jab to the chest with 1:40 left. Valuev lands a glancing left hook with 1:10 still on the clock, Haye did not even throw a power punch so far. Haye attempts his first body punch but it's blocked, so is the combination 2:10 into the round. A lead left uppercut barely touches the side of Valuevs face, meanwhile Sky commenting calls it his best round so far because he's much more accurate, wtf. Haye lands a jab and misses a right with 10 seconds left. Another Haye punch is blocked with 5 seconds left.

Valuev (78, 76)

Shocking so far really, I can't believe I have Mount Valuev ahead. The crowd goes wild on some Haye punches but in replay they clearly miss or get blocked. They even cheer his jabs, while the Sky commentators marvel at how Valuev misses.
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RDJ said: ↑

Round nine:
Valuev: nothing
Haye: right hand

Nothing lands for about a minute and a half until Haye taps his wrist against the back of Valuevs head because again he threw too wide. Sky compliments him on his fantastic strategy and points out that you can't expect him to stand and trade, as if anyone is suggesting him to be Rocky. Haye lands a decent right hand followed by a jab with one minute left. Valuev tries a straight right and a left hook but both are blocked. Another wrist to the back of the head for Haye, Sky and the crowd love it. I'm giving it to Haye for that single right hand because I'm a nice guy.

Haye (87-86)
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RDJ said: ↑

Round 10
Valuev: right hand. soft left hook, right hand body tap, scraping right to forehead
Haye: tapping left hook, soft left hook, partially blocked right, soft left hook

About 30 seconds in Valuev throws a right that's blocked. Haye throws his first punch, a tapping left hook, about a minute into the round. Valuev lands a somewhat decent right hand with 1:40 left on the clock. Haye taps a right hand to Valuev's hip. They exchange soft left hands at two minutes in, Haye follows it up with a too wide hayemaker, Valuev with a tap against Haye's shoulder. Haye lands a partially blocked hayemaker with 20 seconds left. Valuev taps a right hand to the body. At the bell Haye lands a soft left hook while Valuev's right glove touches Haye's forehead. A draw, no idea what's worth more, not a real punch landed in the round.

Draw (97-96)

The sheer homosexuality between rounds in Haye's corner is off-putting and almost reaches Ellerbe heights but we'll continue to round eleven, after I take a massive dump which seems highly appropriate at this moment.
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RDJ said: ↑

Round eleven:
Valuev: limp wristed right hand
Haye: right hand without anything behind it

About 30 seconds in Valuev throws a left and right hook, both are blocked. At 1:30 into the round Haye lands a jab and a right hand that appears to be to the side of the neck because I can't see a millimetre of movement in Valuev's head, it has no effect at all. Haye smiles as if he's performing a master class. Valuev misses a right 30 seconds later. Sky commentator openly wonders if you can score rounds on a single punch. Lots of Valuev misses, and both swing widely past each other before they clinch 30 seconds after that. At 10 seconds left Valuev blocks a Haye left hook and lands a ***gy right hand as a counter himself. Valuev rolls with a hayemaker completely neutralising it, Haye lands a slap to the back of the head, and another three minutes of my life are gone forever.

Draw (107-106)
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RDJ said: ↑

Round twelve:
Valuev: nada
Haye: left hook, right hook, left hook, solid left hook that wobbles Valuev, scraping right hand punch,

A full minute passes before anything happens, Valuev throws a left hook that's blocked and misses a wild right swing. Valuev taps Haye's hip with the right 20 seconds later, very exciting all this. A haye right hand bounces off Valuev's shoulder but receives praise from Sky and the -by now probably drunk as ****- screaming crowd, a sleep inducing 30 seconds later. Haye actually lands a modest two punch combination clean on Valuev's chin with 1:10 left in the round. Ten seconds later the best part of the fight, Haye connects a left hook, wildly swings the right and misses, then lands the left hook that makes Valuev do a bit of a chicken dance. Valuev grabs and Haye manages to land a wild right inside that scrapes Valuev's chin. After being separated Haye lands one more on the back of the head and gets warned for it. Another right and left hand by Haye lands, a boxing match has started! Haye runs for the last 30 seconds (a second or so literally), misses some in the final seconds, and it all ends. Finally a round that could actually be scored, and of course Haye gets it.

Haye (116-116).

Final score (116-116). A ****ing draw. There you have it. I'm shocked myself as well actually.
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In what round did Haye cleanly outland Valuev?

icemax · Jun 9, 2010

bgr said: ↑

No one in the history of boxing has ever won a round when landing absolutely nothing during the 3 minutes

what about willie pep:bart
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:-( Untrue...i'm surprised that supposed fight fans fall for that ****

icemax · Jun 9, 2010

TheUnstoppable said: ↑

Whereabouts in Yorkshire are you icemax?
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Sunny Doncaster :deal

TheUnstoppable · Jun 9, 2010

icemax said: ↑

Sunny Doncaster :deal
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Ah reet, i'm next to Harrogate, if you know the place?

TheUnstoppable · Jun 9, 2010

RDJ said: ↑

No he wasn't, that's my point. Except in round twelve.

No he did not. No handful of clean hard shots was landed in any round except the twelfth, by either fighter.
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Haye was landing flush 1-2's in multiple rounds. On top of that his jab to the body was successful.

Punchstats for the fight, landed/thrown:

David Haye: 98 / 143 = 68.5%

Nikolai Valuev: 64 / 390 = 16%

52.5% difference.

icemax · Jun 9, 2010

TheUnstoppable said: ↑

Ah reet, i'm next to Harrogate, if you know the place?
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I know Harrogate :good

TheUnstoppable · Jun 9, 2010

Oarsum.

Boxed Ears · Jun 9, 2010

icemax said: ↑

:huh No
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Was I talking to you?

TheUnstoppable · Jun 9, 2010

Hey Boxed Ears.

RDJ · Jun 9, 2010

TheUnstoppable said: ↑

Haye was landing flush 1-2's in multiple rounds.
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No he wasn't. Tell me which rounds then.

TheUnstoppable said: ↑

On top of that his jab to the body was successful.
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Yeah, the mighty scared lovetap to the stomach while on the run

TheUnstoppable said: ↑

David Haye: 98 / 143 = 68.5%
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He barely even threw a handful of punches, let alone land flush ones. Rewatch the fight without the drunken Brits going wild on every jab and blocked punch.

TheUnstoppable · Jun 9, 2010

RDJ said: ↑

No he wasn't. Tell me which rounds then.

Yeah, the mighty scared lovetap to the stomach while on the run

He barely even threw a handful of punches, let alone land flush ones. Rewatch the fight without the drunken Brits going wild on every jab and blocked punch.
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Off the top of my head he landed his neat 1-2 in rounds 1,2,3,8 and 12.

I take it your internet toughguy reply of "mighty scared lovetap to the stomach" is you conceding that that jab landed.

Look at the punch stats for the thrown/connects. Or are you gonna try and make some pseudo-manly comment about that too?

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