never lost as amateur/as pro i exuded class!

HH, i would never doubt your word as its pretty much gospel but didnt sugar ray himself say in the 'Pound for Pound' documentary that he had something like 150/160 (i cant be certain of the exact number but it was definitley 100-plus) fights before he lost the first time. I wouldnt be a great man for checking records as i either know it (or think i know it) or i dont, and when the great man claimed that then ive no reason to doubt him. Maybe age was creeping up on him then and he was a little forgetful. Again H, this isnt questioning you, im only stating what SRR said himself mate:good

 

This was researched many years ago by some people at IBRO, mainly the former IBRO director John Grasso. Also, Billy Graham is said to have beaten him very early in his Amateur career, most likely when both were young kids, and at that time might not have gone on his official amateur record.

Here's what we came up with:

Former IBRO director John Grasso did extensive research on Ray Robinson's amateur record and found a loss in the 1938 118-lb Junior Division.

Here is the finding's of Robinson's Golden Gloves career, as well as his last two amateur fights before he turned pro.

NEW YORK GOLDEN GLOVES (Represented Salem-Crescent A.C.)

1938
118-lb. junior

Jan 29 Thomas Polizzi, Good Sheherd A. C. ..........W KO 2
Feb 4 Bobby Ruffin, Bennet A.C. ..................….....W PTS 3
Feb 16 Pasquale Pesca, St. Nicholas Arena .......…..L PTS 3
Apr 11 Ed Cappelli, New York ...........................…W KO 1
(Metropolitan AAU Boxing Championship)

1939
126-lb. open

Feb 13 Alfredo Guido, 92nd Street YMCA ...........….W PTS 3
Feb 22 Patrick Brady, Columbus Council Hall ..........W KO 1
Feb 28 Frank Arcidiacano, Hippodrome ................…W PTS 3
Mar 6 Louis Valentine, Madison Square Garden .......W PTS 3

126-lb open Eastern Regionals

Mar 13 Armann Dascenza, Madison Square Garden ..…W KO 1
Mar 13 Edward Dowell, Madison Square Garden .........W PTS 3
Mar 14 Bob Fisher, Madison Square Garden ............….W KO 1
Mar 14 Mario Centi, Madison Square Garden ..........…..W PTS 3

126-lb open Inter-City

Mar 29 Tony Ancona, Chicago Stadium ....................W PTS 3

1940
135-LB OPEN

Jan 25 Woodrow Tolliver, Oddfellows Hall ..................W KO 2
Jan 30 Drew a bye - Oddfellows Hall
Feb 2 Michael Solicito, St. Anslem's Church ............….W KO 2
Feb 7 William Wolfe, Ridgewood Grove ....................…W KO 1
Feb 14 Bellesandro Carubia, Bronx Coliseum ................W KO 3
Feb 19 Andrew Nonella, Madison Square Garden ..........W KO 1

135-lb open Eastern Regionals

Mar 4 Joe Vidulich, Bronx Coliseum ...........................W KO 1
Mar 5 Howard Hettrich, Bronx Coliseum .....................W KO 1
Mar 6 Steve Kukol, Madison Square Garden ................W PTS 3
Mar 6 Jimmy Butler, Madison Square Garden ...............W KO 1

135-lb open Inter-City

Mar 18 Tony Ancona, Madison Square Garden ............…W KO 3
Apr 15 Frank (Smokey) Robinson, Rochester, NY ...........W PTS 5
Sep 5 Joseph Smalls, New York, NY ........................…….W KO 1

Another source has the following:

*** AMATEUR BOUTS *** (Record: 85-0, 69 knockouts, 40 in first round)

1939
-Robinson was the 126 Pound New York Golden Gloves Champion
-Robinson was the 126 Pound Inter-City Golden Gloves Champion

1940
-Robinson was the 135 Pound New York Golden Gloves Champion
-Robinson was the 135 Pound Inter-City Golden Gloves Champion

 

thanks H for taking the time to do that