Andre Ward: Bute would have to face off with the Super 6 Champion to prove he’s best

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  1. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    The winner of this Super Six (who I'm still kind of sure will be Kessler, call me crazy) won't surplant the top SMW guys just because of the tournament, however if Ward is the goods like he's looked (still not convinced) then he could definitely build the type of career Joe was criticised not having.
     
  2. aliviu_emilian

    aliviu_emilian Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah, and beating you directly beats those two wins FOR GOOD.
     
  3. Broxi

    Broxi Stand With Ukraine Full Member

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    Jesus, talk about over-rated?

    Is this not the guy who was out on his ass vs Andrade not so long ago??

    And now he's the no.1 at SMW, a weight class that happens to have the biggest tournament in boxing happening right at this moment which doesn't involve Bute.
     
  4. laffie

    laffie Montreal Full Member

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    1) Are you already preparing excuses if Ward ducks Bute?
    2) Dirrell was not even a top 10 when the tournament began. Abraham was not a SMW. Ward's best win was Miranda, who he could not knock out. Bute did it easily. The super six has never involved the 6 best fighters of the division. NEVER. With Green in it, it's not going to happen.
    3) I'll repeat it again: if Dirrell wins against Ward and Froch wins against Abraham, Dirrell will be out of the tournament. If Ward wins it, that means that he lost against Dirrell. There are very good chances that the super six won't crown a king. There could be a winner who lost against a loser. That's not undisputed in my book. If you presume that the winner will win all his matches (Ward, obviously), I will presume that Bute will win against Pavlik, Hopkins and Dawson, while waiting for the super six champion.

    You are comparing Bute's present status with the super six champion future status. Sorry but it doesn't make sense.

    For the moment, Ward has won against Kessler, who was not very brilliant against Froch. His next fight will be against Green, who lost to Miranda. Give me a break, he still has to prove things, like any other top SMW, including Bute.
     
  5. laffie

    laffie Montreal Full Member

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    Froch was on his ass against Taylor, should have lost against Dirrell and lost to a shot Kessler. Want it or not, Froch went down the rankings since the beginning of the tournament.

    He! He! I can talk the same kind of **** you do if I want.
     
  6. Broxi

    Broxi Stand With Ukraine Full Member

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    Yeah but ..... Froch is actually fighting these guys and was never on the verge of being KTFO by any of them. Fact of the matter is, these guys are all in this tournament proving themselves, Bute isn't so until he does ... it's all just talk and over-rating.
     
  7. laffie

    laffie Montreal Full Member

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    When you lose, you are not proving yourself. Froch could end the tournament with 3 defeats. It wouldn't make him a star, sorry.
     
  8. snakeface

    snakeface The Woodside Hurricane Full Member

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    What makes you think Andre Ward will duck Bute?

    I don't think Ward has a problem flying to Canada.
     
  9. Broxi

    Broxi Stand With Ukraine Full Member

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    Why the focus on Froch here?

    Anyway, Froch has yet to suffer a clear loss to anyone and while I'm on the subject, Froch in his FIRST defense of his WBC belt, went to Jermaine Taylors (marquee boxer) backyard and beat him. Name me one instance in Butes career where he did anything remotely close to that?
     
  10. laffie

    laffie Montreal Full Member

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    I'm not saying Ward would duck Bute. I'm saying Rumsfeld is preparing excuses if that happens.

    I just want that fight to happen. He's not sure he wants to.
     
  11. No Fear

    No Fear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is the truth.
     
  12. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    :rofl

    If you don't think the competition within the Super Six is superior to the likes of Miranda (damaged goods) and Andrade (who deserved a victory over Bute 1st time) than I do not know what to tell you!.
    :lol:

    That's a whopper of a qualifier there!
    :rofl

    Bute has NEVER beaten a fighter of their caliber. I happen to think Bute beats Pavlik, but to just assume he will beat Hopkins and Dawson is hysterical.

    I never assumed anything. I said the person who comes out on top will have the best claim to being the top dog at 168. How anyone can disagree with this defies the realms of both logic and common sense.

    Assume that Bute has beaten three fighters of a caliber he has never once faced in his career! Brilliant deductive skills!

    When the **** did I ever say that Ward had nothing to prove?

    Your entire attack against me is filled with worthless strawmen.

    Ward himself recently stated to On the Ropes Boxing Radio that:

    "I have a lot more work that needs to be done and a lot more proving still to do"

    :smoke
     
  13. tito44

    tito44 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree, but I still think he would beat any of them. I think he will end up fighting Chad Dawson at some point before the thing is over.
     
  14. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I just watched some Dawson video on You Tube. If Chad tried to come down to 168, I'd favor Bute. If Lucian moved up to 175, I'd favor Chad. Although I hate catchweight fights, I think 170-171 might level the playing field.
     
  15. laffie

    laffie Montreal Full Member

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    I wrote an example of why you can't assume that the winner of the tournament cannot be, at the present time, be qualified as the top dog.

    Of course, you haven't answered it.

    I'll repeat it for the third time.

    Dirrell wins against Ward. Froch wins against Abraham. Dirrell is out of the tournament. If Ward wins the tournament, will you say he is on top of Dirrell without a doubt?

    Come on, answer to that simple question and all your theories about the legitimity of the super 6 winner will go down the drain.

    You can say what you want, no one can know where the division will be at the end of the tournament. Continue to talk BS, that won't change a thing.