Tua Versus Marciano

Good point, although I believe Frazier matches up much better against clever boxers than Marciano does because he is a far more precise power puncher despite the similarities in style. This is undoubtedly due to Frazier's extensive amateur background.
May I also add that I believe Frazier matches up better with Tua than people are giving him credit for...He stands a far better chance than Rocky to outlast and outwork Tua to a late stoppage or decision.

 

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Disagree. Rocky matches up a lot better against punches than Frazier does. Rocky was stronger, had two knockout hands, and I believe had a better chin. Marciano was also a lot more patient than frazier was, as he got very low in that crouch and would cooly and collectively work his way in as he dipped slipped ducked in the crouch. Frazier was more aggresive he would move in the same way everytime bobbing and weaving..He would never stay back and map out the situation. I think this works against frazier vs punchers. Rocky with his two fisted power, strength, durability, low unpredictable crouch matches him better vs punchers than joe.

I think Joe's superior speed and sharpness allow him to match up better vs boxers than Marciano. but joe did not match up well against punchers at all.

 

Good, logical argument...the only point I'll disagree on is the strength variable. I'm really not sure Marciano is stronger than Frazier, in fact I think it's pretty clear that Frazier's stronger than The Rock.

 

I think Frazier matches up better with boxers. I think Marciano matches up better with someone like Tua than Frazier would. Frazier could very well out-finesse and show great lateral boxing swarming ability to neutralize Tua, but Marciano has certain attributes that may keep him in it better. I mean if Bonavena can put Frazier in serious danger... I just feel Marciano durability gives him a better hope. The two-punching power aspect helps too.

 

I have to disagree.

Marciano was probably one of the most physicaly strong 190lb fighters of all time, while Frazier almost seems to have been a fighter of unexceptional physical strength for his body weight.

If it was a wrestling match then I know who my money would be on.

 

Why is that? Rocky's strength actually might have been his best asset. He was so freakishly strong. Freakishly. Frazier wasn't all that strong. Frazier was more Fast Fast speed than strength. Rocky was all strength.

 

Frazier got muscled around by Quarry so bad, he almost went through the ropes in the first round of their initial meeting.

 

Wasn't there some strength contest frazier entered in and he posted embarrasingly low scores?

 

Weight lifting, which is largely due to poor technique, Marciano likely does just as badly

 

I like Marciano's chances of making it across the pool.

 

In the clinches he was getting pushed back by 190lb Layne

 

Marciano dominated Layne in the clinches....Layne was considered one of the strongest fighters in the division at the time. Layne backed walcott to the ropes all night long. Marciano just physically dominated layne in the trenches and by round 4, layne had to switch to fighting rock on the outside. Layne couldn't move the Rock.

 

Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, Joe Louis all called Marciano "Far and away the strongest fighter i ever fought". Most of these men did not call him the hardest hitter, but they were fascinated by his strength.

 

Layne out weighed Marciano by over 8 lbs and was over six feet tall, he was known for his strength. I think he pushed Rocky back a few times but utlimately he was the one overpowered most of the fight. His plan to overpower the Rock was a failure.

In contrast, Frazier outweighed Quarry and was the naturally bigger man, he was backed up repeatedly and as mentioned, nearly went through the ropes at one point. Quarry successfully overpowered Frazier.....he just couldn't do anything else.