Tua Versus Marciano

Rocky also pushed back Joe Louis on film. Louis had a 30lb weight advantage on the rock.

 

Does your bias know no bounds, Layne was constantly pushing Rocky back in the early going, Marciano's in fighting was far far better and he beat but he still got pushed back plenty

 

Don't talk about Bias. You think Roy Jones had a better left hook than Sugar Ray Robinson

Watch the tapes again. Layne was not constantly pushing Marciano back. Layne may have pushed him back a few times, but like mongoose said, Rocky was the one dominating Layne on the inside, overpowering him during the first 4 rounds. It was rocky's brute strength on the inside which caused layne to abandon his plan by round 5, and attempt to switch to the outside to box the rock. Layne was young, and he was bigger than Rocky. Frazier got pushed back multiple times by Quarry, who was smaller than he.

 

People dont realize the strength of Marciano he was a freak. Marciano power was measured back in the 50's and they recently did a test on 6"6 245lb Vladimir Klitschko (who is the premier 2-fisted puncher today)and they were close. Imagine that, Marciano weighed 190lbs before he took his morning crap. The man was a Rock-boned freak and all of his opponents say his taps hurt more then some guys Bombs....he was the exception to the rule and tie that in with great stamina, great recuperative powers and HEART and he becomes a uphill battle...Today I see him a bigger, stronger man but if we took Dave back to the 50's he may not have the help of muscle aids and Dave is an inch or 2 shorter than Rocky who was 5"11, I know a lot try and make him shorter and it does not mean anything but there was a photo with him and some guy I know who was 5"10 and Rocky was noticeably taller. On the other hand I have seen one with Tyson and a fight guy I know and Mike looks around 5"9...does it matter, NO

 

Rocky's strength was his best asset. There I said it. Better than his power, stamina, heart, etc. He was a freak strength wise. Every friggin opponent he fought called him by far the strongest they fought, and some of them fought some very muscular 220lb fighters.

 

WOW a whole 8lbs, Frazier would have 20lbs on him. Yes Marciano outfought him and beat him up and was the better puncher, we were talking about who was the stronger and Layne was pushing him back quite a bit and shoving him around

I seem to remember Frazier having Quarry on the ropes for the majority of their first fight after the first round

 

Suzie, you are right Key word is FREAK or gifted but either way he was freakishly gifted

 

Rocky actually naturally weighed around 210lb.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...J&pg=4863,3942842&dq=rocky+marciano+205&hl=en

 

Jones clearly has a better left hook than Robinson, its not up for debate. Just because Robinson was great doesn't mean he has the best left hook ever, his jab and his right were his best punches by far. Who's left hook was faster? Who trebbled it more? who's was shorter? Its Jones for all of those, Power wise its close

BACK TO ROCKY-LAYNE - We're not talking about the better in fighter, bigger puncher, those clearly goto Rocky, we're talking about who's stronger, who can push who around.

Mongoose seems to be as much of a fan of Rocky and his Era as yourself. I'm not a fan of Rocky or Frazier so I can claim impartiality. I think its a close call either way

 

You must have been watching a different fight than the rest of us.

 

Why not? Because he defeated all those Black Murders Row fighters you Adore? Perhaps you should have more respect for him because of that

 

His ability to fight was his best asset, not his strength, his ability to constantly land big well timed shots and the ability to choose the best shot, if he was around today most of the top50 would treat him like a rag doll in the clinches though.

You've wrestled, ever tried wrestling men 50-70lbs heavier?

 

I am actually a fan of Rocky to an extent, just not a rabid fan with bias, his is not my favourate style, I prefer his style and skill to Fraziers though in truth. Frazier's weight and speed advantages are going to be significant factors though imo

 

Yes. I know many 189lb wrestlers who were stronger than heavyweight wrestlers. When you get to the olymics the weight becomes a big factor because everyones a freak then....but in boxing its only clinching. It's a lot easier to fight with a bigger man in a clinch than it is to have him sprawl all his weigh on you when you shoot his legs. There are physical freaks at 220-250lb and i would dub them stronger than marciano, but only a handful. Not very many.

Also according to you, Rocky could take creatine now a days and come in the ring at a ripped to threds 205-210lb. Then no one would hold a strength advantage on him.

 

I am a fan of Roy Jones jr. Actually a big fan. I own his whole set. I rate him highly. But I don't like the way he never fought Benn, Mccellan, Eubank, Collins, DM. That to me is not fighting the best of your era.