Full time firemen and police men ?You can't be serious ...And when would he have fought Joe ? Joe wasn't a blip on the radar by the time he became super middleweigh king Jones was already at lt heavy on his way to heavy when was that fight going to take place ?Its easy to fault the name but never the other party ..I see now how it works atsch
The truth is the truth he should be no higher than the upper 40's anyone that has him in the top 20 is smoking crack and meth at the same time.:deal
Upper 40's is fine if some people want to rate him higher I wont argue because I'd like to see the how many fighters rank above him .But I can live with top 50 ..
i have him top 20 simply cause i can't see 20 people better than him. but any other opinions are valued as he has so many question marks attached to him, there's no concrete answer
exactly. i posted a list where he was in my top 10. i rate heavily on skill and performance but on resume is barely cracks top 50. taking him for all his strengths and weaknesses is tough but critical to an accurate assessment
Fair enough,like i said i really like him in most battles head to head with most ATG's,i currently have him 48.
Skills i dont have him rated high,which is the reason he's not a good fighter past his prime for lack of skills,not the worst by any means,but certainly knowhere near the best.Now athletic ability he's right at the top.
Resumes can be debated but he never had the luxary of a deep division ..People say he ducked this guy and that but people have to remember it wasn't always his fault those fights never got made .But still a great talenet none the less ..