mma, barroom brawling without the broken bottles.

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by blacklikesunday, Jun 11, 2010.


  1. http://lmlonline.org/Audio/sugar.mp3

    this is an interview with well known boxing writer bert sugar, i imagine its a few yrs old, not sure, so many of you might of already heard it.

    ufc is briefly mentioned about two-thirds into the interview, and thats where he says that 'mma is barroom brawling without the broken bottles.'
    he also says that mma is only big in the states and not the rest of the world.

    god, that annoys me so much. lots of people who are heavily into boxing seem to get almost defensive when it comes to mma. theres plenty of room for both sports, and you can obviously love both of them, but some people act like you have to take one side or the other.

    bert seems to be implying that there isn't any style to mma fighters, like they all just go hell for leather without any strategy whatsoever. in short that adds up tobert giving mma no respect imo.

    i know he's old and has seen many of the all time greats, and he's also made a living from writing about boxing, as well as other things too. however, i don't think it really matters what generation a person is from, or if they were heavily into boxing for most of their life either.

    i get sick of people who don't look more deeply into the sport of mma and appreciate the athleticism involved, for instance. also the fact that these fighters train just as hard as a boxer does. the fact that an mma fighter makes sacrifices just like a boxer does, so he can also try and be number one.
    it just shits me right off!
     
  2. TheBradyHawkes

    TheBradyHawkes ۞ Full Member

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    The fact that anyone puts a microphone in front of Bert Sugar anymore is cause for concern.
     
  3. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    He's not that far off with that assesement. Theres large pockets of MMA globally notably in Japan and the also in US because of the emergence of the UFC. That said MMA is not a global phenomena contrary to what Dana would have you believe. Either way it was Dana ( a failed boxing promoter ) who was grinding the axe into boxing repeatedly looking for some cheap leverage. Its only natural that old timers like Bert are going to view it much the same as McCain did as "human cockfighting".
     
  4. snakey112

    snakey112 Active Member Full Member

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    "MMA will be dead in 5 years"

    he says at the end here

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUbUJf8v91I[/ame]
     
  5. james4210

    james4210 Active Member Full Member

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    I enjoyed listening to the interview, it's great to learn a bit of history.

    I think it's a classic case of the war between the older generation and new. And distrust between the old and the young. The old-timers see the young guys who in to the MMA, having no respect for boxing. Then the young guys think the boxing fans are old farts.

    I get pissed off with MMA because I can watch as much of it is I want, but I'm not able to watch any boxing to do my circumstances. So I do seem to get a bit rose tinted about boxing.

    Looking at it totally dispassionately I do think MMA still has a lot to prove. There's a hell of a lot of people with their head in the sand.

    MMA fights are often boring, I feel like the kid in the emperors new clothes fairytale.

    The Jacksons versus Evans fight was not bad, but during the after fight analysis, they endlessly played the two bits of worthwhile action from the fight. Because that's all there was.

    And don't even get me started on the two men clamped together bore fests.

    Of course once in a while you get the most amazing exciting fight ever.

    The bottom line is both sports have good things and bad things about them.

    But I personally, lived through the competition karate craze, the semi-contact karate craze. The kickboxing craze. They have all been and gone. Who's to say MMA isn't going to be added to the "ever happened to that" list.
     
  6. Spunik

    Spunik Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Will B.S. outlast MMA?
     
  7. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Personally i think the Golden Era of MMA has already come and gone. The legends of the sport are waning fast. Are we going to see another Fedor? CC? Big Nog? Barnett? Even second tier guys like Shamrock Coleman and Frye are a rarity. The irony is fighters were of a much higher calibre when they came from distinct and unique disciplines rather than this whole "cross trained mantra" which produces fighters that are average at everything rather than very good at just one thing.
     
  8. nfc90210

    nfc90210 Active Member Full Member

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    Personally, I think we'll see way more guys like Jose Aldo in years to come; the kind of guys who are great at everything.
     
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  10. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    I highly doubt it. Guys like GSP are unique and a rarity. To think otherwise imo is a bit naive.
     
  11. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Hasnt happend though has it. You can be as optimistic as you like. But facts are MMA doesnt boast many "well rounded" fighters. I wouldnt even call Fedor well rounded. The fighters that excel in this sport are those that know what their strengths are and are able to execute.
     
  12. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Bert Sugar is a boxing historian. Albeit he likes to embellish now and then. Id hardly call him a moron though. He's from a totally different era.
     
  13. (PimpThaSystem)

    (PimpThaSystem) Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You wouldn't call Fedor well-rounded? What is missing from his game exactly?
     
  14. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    You cant include guys like those as Shogun and Anderson came from pure striking backgrounds and complemented their styles with BJJ. That said there known primarily as strikers. The same goes for BJ.
     
  15. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In 2005 these idiots said MMA would fade away and die so now its 2010 they say its another 5 years. Yeah it really looks like its dying alright meanwhile boxing gyms are closing up and MMA gyms are replacing it on even worse boxing gym overs have to take there asses to MMA clubs and try to keep the buisness going somewhat.