Why did HOPHINS duck Calzaghe?

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  1. Talivar

    Talivar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hophins tried to fight Hopkins once but Hopkins ducked him and thats one reason he doesnt want to share the name of a ducker:(
     
  2. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    You can't really blame Hopkins, Hophins is a beast!
     
  3. Talivar

    Talivar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Guess was to high risk/low reward
     
  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    To say Calzaghe ducked any of the mention is wrong. Calzaghe did pull out with injury before facing Johnson more than once, but lets get it right, Calzaghe pulled out 3 times against Sheika before facing him, and look what happend, he was hardly avoiding him. Calzaghe also pulled out before facing Lacy, and once again look how it went.
    Calzaghe was ringside with an interest in meeting Johnson, when Johnson was fighting Woods for the 3rd time, and guess what Johnson lost once again in his career, so why would Calzaghe then go and challenge the beaten fighter? Johnson got beat and lost his chance. The same Johnson who lost to Sheika that Calzaghe beat.
    Woods was interested in facing Calzaghe, but Calzaghe never showed much interest, which in truth was probably a good thing, as who would have picked Woods to win? Not me. Still, why would Calzaghe be interested in Woods, who lost most of the big ones and wasnt that great, when Calzaghe could be beating Kessler and then fighting Hopkins. This is Woods who lost to Starie, who Calzaghe beat.
    Calzaghe never refused to fight Ottke, it was Ottke who didnt want to know, Ottkes trainer even said Ottke didnt want to know.


    Even if Calzaghe wasnt a big fight back then, Hopkins would have got more money for fighting him, than what he fought for at that time, and im sure Calzaghe was a bigger name than say M Hakkar.
    Hopkins wasnt interested facing a fighter who wasnt coming up in weight
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Ermm he dint. they fought each other.
     
  6. Talivar

    Talivar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I was talking much earlier when the fight was supposed to happen, iin Hopkins prime ect. The period when ppl say Calzaghe SHOULD have fought him and also go onto blame calzaghe for it not happening.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    When they where in different weight classes?

    no1 ducked no1, they just other people first
     
  8. Talivar

    Talivar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The fight was almost made, was set to be in USA and Hopkins was offered 3mill, he agreed but then at last moment he decided he wanted 6million and priced himself out, Hopkins then went onto fight his next fight for less than 1million i think.
     
  9. Talivar

    Talivar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    "A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.
     
  10. Talivar

    Talivar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Some collabarating links
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/2511439.stm

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    This is not the first time there has been talk about a Hopkins-Calzaghe fight. In July 2002, Hopkins, who was then with promoter Don King, was on the verge of signing a three-fight deal with Showtime, which was televising Calzaghe bouts at the time. In the second fight of the proposed deal, Hopkins would have moved up from middleweight to super middleweight to challenge Calzaghe in early 2003. But the deal imploded when Hopkins, who had initially agreed, backed out.
    from http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3094912
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    It is hardly a duck considering he waited for calz to establish himself as champ and p4p.

    this is a ridiculous debate. the fight came off in the end.
     
  12. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    calzaghe was a high risk, low reward fighter his entire career because of the path he chose to take. and until he became an international name that was never going to change.

    from a british perspective, it's like saying that calzaghe dodged froch AFTER calzaghe had done the work to get known in the states (even though he waited until both jones and hopkins were about 83 years old combined before doing that).

    if you want a free meal go to a shelter, don't expect it to get handed to you by fighters who have made their names on the international stage already.
     
  13. Talivar

    Talivar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are all missing the point, Calzaghe is blasted for ducking Hopkins and waiting till he wa san old man before he fought him. Im just trying to show that wasnt the case.
     
  14. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    but as long as calzaghe wasn't established internationally that fight was never going to happen, and it shouldn't be a surprise that it collapsed then but was made easily when hopkins was in his 40's and started losing while joe still hadn't come to the states.

    it's the same theory as jones fighting danny green in australia - a name fighter in decline taking on opponents who haven't tried to crack the international scene but they can get a payday.
     
  15. Talivar

    Talivar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But how then can Calzaghe he blaimed for it not happening?, and he DOES get blamed very often on here.