how much more would calzaghe have to do to get the respect he deserves?

So you have all these great elites who can beat Calzaghe and none of them did :huh
While I agree you have some good fighters, lets not get taken in and swept away by The Ring and TV now. Look at Moselys win resume and its not as good as it first appears, he has a win over Holiday, a great win over De La Hoya and then a win over Margarito whos career now has a cloud over it. Its not better than Calzaghes when you look at it. Dawson knocked down many times by far lesser fighters on more than one occassion and has a good win over LHW Adamek but looks lucky not to get KOd by Johnson whos got how many losses and is a lesser fighter than alot of Calzaghe victims. P Williams who may do well but hasnt done anything beyond what Calzaghe did and has a lesser resume, but because these fighters are based in America and recognised they are given credit and in The Rings P4P ratings yet a guy like Haye who has won WBA WBC WBO Ring CW titles and is now WBA HW champ isnt in the P4P ratings by the Ring. Says something, he even won most of those titles away[/quote]



1. Outside of Hamed, Hatton, and Khan, British fighters are local garbage.
2. The super middle division as a newer division and rightfully has no prestige as it normally just a stopping off point for talented middle weights moving to LHW. No one cares if Joe had 2000 title defense at super middle.
3. At the beginning of his reign the WBO was not recognized as a legit sanctioning body. It's still the most lightly regarded of the sanctioning bodies. maybe it shouldn't be recognized.
4. British(euro fans in general) fans are so unknowledgeable about boxing they will watch fixed fight and **** poor match ups for years and don't know the difference between the garbage fights and real deal competitive fights. Look as the clowns calling up names like Sheika and Manfredo like its a damn accoplishment beating these journeyman. You guys literally can't tell the difference and as long as your fans continue to fill soccer stadiums for **** poor fights, American fans will never give your guys any respect.
5. Joe would have finished with at least 5 losses had he fought in the US rather than GB. His defense is garbage and any puncher younger than 40 would have opened up his hole to about 4 inches in diameter. He is one of the biggest frauds in the history of the sport. May god have mercy on your soul.

 

Without euros there would be no boxing, to say we have no knowledge of it is the greatest of ignorance.

 

Filling stadiums to watch Joe vs Tocker Pudwell or Abraham vs Ayala is brilliant right? Americans wouldn't walk across there own backyards to watch that crap. I would say it would be like watching the Yankees against a minor league team but Joe doesn't deserve to be compared to the Yankees.

 

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1. Why Khan? Whos he fought? Oh I get it its because you have heard of him, so he must be ok because he beat a non punching lucky former champ Pauli M
2. The talented MWs who miss it to go to LHW like Dawson whos now talking of coming down to SMW instead of staying at LHW, shame he didnt try doing it when Calzaghe was champ. But with that statement im sure you wont be praising Ward if he wins the super 6 then.
3. Maybe the WBO is regarded as the lowest but its the fighter who make the title, and it cant be worse than the WBA with all their champs in a single division.
Still the WBO has been a title other little known fighters have used and some to even make their names, lets see whos held the belt at some times in their careers Barrera, Cotto, Judah, De La Hoya, Hopkins, WK, Pavlik, Margarito and Williams off the top of my head.
4. I know Sheika and Manfredo arent the best but point out that Sheika did go on to get more world title chances, so was fringe world level, and as for Manfredo, he was in The Ring top 10 at the time of the fight, so I dont think its Europeans who cant tell the difference, it was even The Ring mag that said Calzaghe fighting Manfredo was a start of clearing up a division because of where they rated Manfredo. No one over this way thought Manfredo would do anything, so thats you boys there.
5. So who would give Joe these 5 losses? He beat Americas best SMWs that would fight him Brewer, Mitchell, Sheika, Manfredo and Lacy, Echoles and Tate pulled out but lets not pretend they would win. So please who are these great SMWs who would have beaten Calzaghe.
I cant wait for your answer

 

You spastic. The only reason Calzaghe fought Manfredo was that HBO had just started showing him after he moved from Showtime and demanded a fight against someone that the American viewers knew. Calzaghe's IBF mandatory was Robert Stieglitz, a fight that HBO didn't want to know. British fans had never heard of Manfredo, so if it wasn't for the US TV influence then he would have defended the IBF title against a better opponent and sold just as many tickets. Don't make me laugh saying that British fans don't know the difference between garbage fights and the real deal when the only reason the Manfredo fight was even considered was because the average American HBO viewer was considered too ignorant to watch a better quality fight, so they had to include a reality tv personality.

 

He could have fought better fighters in their primes. Not really his fault since he was probably seen as too much risk and low reward for those boxers in the 90s. He'd have more respect in the US if he was born here.

 

Your not even responding to the point of the post. Joetards are only marginally more intelligent than *******s. Joe's fans are the ones who call up Manfredo's name like its a valid title defense. Why would Joe fight the harder fight? He didn't for 10 years why start then?

 

To be honest all he would have to do is leave the game beating a young Chad Dawson

 

Nobody has ever done that who wasn't actually taking the ****. If you're reading Anglosaxon's posts and taking them seriously, then that's where your problem is.

 

1. Why Khan? Whos he fought? Oh I get it its because you have heard of him, so he must be ok because he beat a non punching lucky former champ Pauli M
2. The talented MWs who miss it to go to LHW like Dawson whos now talking of coming down to SMW instead of staying at LHW, shame he didnt try doing it when Calzaghe was champ. But with that statement im sure you wont be praising Ward if he wins the super 6 then.
3. Maybe the WBO is regarded as the lowest but its the fighter who make the title, and it cant be worse than the WBA with all their champs in a single division.
Still the WBO has been a title other little known fighters have used and some to even make their names, lets see whos held the belt at some times in their careers Barrera, Cotto, Judah, De La Hoya, Hopkins, WK, Pavlik, Margarito and Williams off the top of my head.
4. I know Sheika and Manfredo arent the best but point out that Sheika did go on to get more world title chances, so was fringe world level, and as for Manfredo, he was in The Ring top 10 at the time of the fight, so I dont think its Europeans who cant tell the difference, it was even The Ring mag that said Calzaghe fighting Manfredo was a start of clearing up a division because of where they rated Manfredo. No one over this way thought Manfredo would do anything, so thats you boys there.
5. So who would give Joe these 5 losses? He beat Americas best SMWs that would fight him Brewer, Mitchell, Sheika, Manfredo and Lacy, Echoles and Tate pulled out but lets not pretend they would win. So please who are these great SMWs who would have beaten Calzaghe.
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None of the American fighters you mentioned are America's best anything. Can you imagine any of those guys beating Glen Johnson or anyone in the super 6, Your post is a joke.

I've held my own dick and Ron Jermey has held his dick. Does that make me Ron Jeremy?

Khan has boxing skill. His win over Pauli would compares favorably to Joe's best victories. How many titlist has Joe beaten who were not over 40?

As far as cleaning up a division, how bout cleaning up your own back yard? Joe ducked Clinton Woods of all fighters. If you have to duck Woods what does that say about your confidence?

 

I agree with that. Good luck. He might as well work on knocking out a camel for all the luck he'll have with this task. I'd rather see him in with Ward. It would be fun watching Ward slap him around like he's an amateur.

 

You claim British and European fans are unknowledgeable...yet your the one who is coming across in this thread as narrow minded and naive. Are you sure you are a fan of boxing, or are you just another person who takes credit for an athlete's achievements just because you are the same nationality?

 

I agree with you. Strange how Calzaghe goes from one extreme to the other.

 

Yep is very strange, I dont wanna seem like im just defending Calzaghe because im not, i just dont like double standards. I would be the first one to defend any american great aswell in same situation. Or any great from any country.A boxers skill to me should not be limited by or bosted by the country they live in.