Carlos Monzon vs James Toney

Monzon late. Toney will press the fight, but Monzon is hard to hurt consistently enough. Toney is grabbed to death and eventually right handed.

 

Definitely Monzon. He's not a technical guru but he has multi directional movement regardless, together with his ring generalship this makes fo his win. Movement was always the kryptonite for the strictly counter-punching Toney.

 

iritmaty and PopwerPuncher to show up in 3-2-1 ...

 

iritmaty? Ok then, hobid

 

Okay, sorry but your name is confusing. So many´s "is" and then the "y". How should someone know where to place them. :-(

 

A volume puncher vs a counter puncher? Could be a good one. I'll go with Monzon on stamina and effort, though Toney would have his share of moments. Monzon UD.

 

Toney's ATG chin and defense has been proven against pretty much everyone from MW-HW and passed the test yet Monzon who isn't even that big a puncher is going to spark him with a single right, yet if I pick Toney in a close decision, it will be more controversal on here I'm sure :nut

Assuming the best version of Toney shows up, I'll go with him in a close decision. Toney isn't getting controlled by a jab and takes away Monzon's best weapon with his shot slipping, right counters and jab of his own. Monzon is missing and getting countered flush more than ever. Toney's speed would also see him get his best shots off well, whether he counters or leads. For Monzon's part his workrate and constant ability to pick the right punch for the range will see him win rounds

The opponent most similar to Toney that Monzon faced would be Griffith or Briscoe, but Toney is a far superior boxer to Briscoe, far more skilled, and better than anyone Monzon faced in my view. Unlike Griffith Toney would be prime with real MW size/strength/power. Toney's most similar opponent is probably McCallum, another elite.

Like Toney-McCallum this should be a very technical battle, I think Toney's better quality edges in perhaps a controversal decision that will go down to what the judge/scorer prefers

 

it's not absurd to pick Toney, there's no way Toney's getting stopped though. With Monzon's lack of speed and at some times lack of variation, Toney definitely scores big with blistering stuff, we're talking one of the best counterpunchers in history here. I still see it as per my post above personally though.

 

Monzon is not a volume puncher. Not by any means.

 

eyemytahiti is right, Mendoza. :deal

 

In a real life scenario with the level of his consistancy I certainly wouldn't put money on Toney here. But at his best I think he takes it

On a side note its easy to label fighters counter punchers or pressure fighters, earlier in his career though Toney mixed it up allot and turned pressure fighter in some of his fights and seek and destory KO artist in other fights. When pressuring he works well off the jab or lead right and has an excellent body attack. Notably when he couldn't outbox Nunn and went after him with a vengence, but there are other examples throughout his 160-168 days

 

What does itrymariti mean?

 

Yeah, i take that fully on board, but i still have to imagine Toney in one of the biggest fights of his career would employ his 'typical' style. All fighters that have a style have varied it up at some point of their careers, but it's what they did consistently that they are measured by for me.

 

Toney's bodywork is severely underrated, imo. :deal