how much more would calzaghe have to do to get the respect he deserves?

Agreed, can look at any champions resume and see similiar patterns.

 

Do remember though that Pudwill was a late sub becauce T Tate pulled out, something else that people choose to ignore

 

Joe is a problem for anyone ever at super middle besides prime Jones. One of the greatest brits ever, top 5 definetly.

 

beat more than 1 fighter in their prime, you know before retiring fight Chad Dawson or when Roy Jones and James Toney were crusading fight one of them.

 

Showing a complete lack of knowledge or just complete ignorance. Im not sure which, but let me help you through this now.

Calzaghe was a SMW. That was the division he was operating in and the division he cleaned up. WBO WBC WBA IBF Ring titles

Jones - Jones wasnt that interested in Calzaghe (understandably), even when Calzaghe wanted to fight him, think about it now, Jones was fighting at HW before Calzaghe had even fought B Mitchell

Toney - Now heres your real lack of knowledge on show here. Toney was fighting in the CW division before Calzaghe had even won his first world title at SMW. Thats 2 divisions higher if you werent sure, and Toney was fighting at HW around the time Calzaghe was beating Mitchell.

Dawson - At 37 im sure Calzaghe had a right to retire, and Dawson wasnt a big enough name, just look at the numbers for his fights with a fellow American in Tarver. But if Dawson wanted Calzaghe so badly then why didnt Dawson fight at SMW and build himself into a position, instead Dawson fought at LHW and nearly got stopped by Johnson. Now that Calzaghe has retired Dawson is talking of fighting at SMW. Funny that

 

After the Hopkins fight, Calzaghe should have fought Dawson instead of Jones. That would have helped

 

Clinton, I do find it puzzling that no one other than Bailey has ever addressed these quotes. I've posted them a few times as well. They show a certain mindset.

To me they are pretty much the endgame in the argument that Calzaghe wasn't protected and avoided challenges.

 

To me the quotes and the ones about Hopkins take debate into another area, one about bravery vs skills ect. To me Calzaghe, Jones, Hopkins, Mayweather, Khan and vast majority are all cowards to soem degree. All the talk of to high risk/low reward is just rationalisation for saying they dare not try fight that fighter, Calzaghe was clearly unsure in his ability to beat jones during jones priome and to me thats a kind of cowardice but fact Jones and Hopkins also didnt want the fight is the same.
Some will come and argue they didnt have to take the fight and some will come and explain how it wasnt xxx fault or xxxxs ect but in the end of thew day at differant times during this whole dance they have all showed a lack of backbone in the inability to be willing to take that risk to show they are the best. This to me is why fighters like Kessler,Froch,Taylor ect deserve more credit than they get. They may lose but they dont justify a duck with any reason ( Froch atm is losing his bottle but time will be his judge)

 

The point is that you can find a Joe Calzaghe quote to back up pretty much any argument you want to. You've selected some that suit your agenda, other things he said at other times say exactly the opposite. You have a quote from June 1999 which you choose to take as definitive proof that Calzaghe didn't want to fight Jones (when he had defended the WBO SMW title three times, and Jones was undisputed champion in the weight class above?), and ignore the many times in the years after when Calzaghe called out Jones.

It doesn't really prove anything other than Joe Calzaghe is a guy who tends to be fairly 'moody' and not particularly guarded and what he says depends on what mood he was in at the time he said it. He's a dream study for anyone looking to build a selective argument, like yourself.

 

think your spot on with that :good

 

Yeah their all the same. They are all defending their belts against **** fighters jumping two weight classes(ashira) and dog**** midwestern bums(Pudwell). Guys like Hearns managed to retire with fighting less than five fights that were not mismatches.

 

stop doing coke

 

So if i go look at say Hopkins resume i wont find any filler fights of same level?

 

Just listen to what Joe says. It all makes sense now. If you ignore what he did in the ring, and ignore who he fought, and when he fought them, then slappy joe is an all time great. His measure of what he accoplished is much higher than most peoples, but isn't Joe's opinion of himself really what matters?

You guys are good for a laugh.