how much more would calzaghe have to do to get the respect he deserves?

The Klitschkos can't help that Liston, Ali, Frasier, Holmes, Joe Louis, and Lennox Lewis are retired. Even with the division at a low point they both have resumes superior to calslappy. As far as the whole race thing don't lay your bias at my feet please.

VOID IS VOID.

 

Des3995, Why is it so important people answer about calzaghes quotes when no1 will answer about why Hopkins ducked calzaghe. As ive said lots of times now Hopkins,Calzaghe and many more Top fighters are all cowards at some points. The problem here is haters ignore hopkins ducking calzaghe and focus on Calzaghe ducking jones and calzaghe fans ignore the jones duck and focus on hopkins ducking calzaghe. Why cant we accept both happened or atleast seem to happen? Why does it always have to eb one extreme or the other

 

The problem with quotes, (unless it was in his autobiography or what have you)...if there is no video evidence of him actually saying these things, you never know where these quotes came from. Same goes for any boxer or celebrity out there, you never know what questions these guys were being asked to give the response they gave.

 

I view it as important because very few of his fans fail to address them each time they are posted. Not all, but the vast majority.

They are pertinent because they show what his mindset was during the prime of his career. Given that the level of his cmpetition is the root cause of all the arguments about Joe Calzaghe, might his statement that he didn't want tough fights be important?

As for Hopkins....

I've said previously that it certainly seems he avoided that fight with Calzaghe.

what does it have to do with this?

PS-no fighter is a coward.

 

As I've said previously, the selective quotes don't 'show what his mindset was during the prime of his career' which is easily proven by all the other times when he said other things that completely contradict the tone of those quotes.

The quotes might be said to show a mindset on one particular day, in response to one particular interview, or whatever. Taken as a whole, rather than selecting the parts that suit one agenda, the stuff that came out of Calzaghe's mouth throughout his career show a personality that is fairly erratic, emotional, moody, sometimes insecure, and actually not all that intelligent. Suprising really that those traits didn't come out in the ring where he was always supremely confident and always found a way to get through any problems. I think a good sporting comarison for Calzaghe is Paul Gascoigne, though depending on your nationality you may not know who that is.

The 2002 Hopkins deal is pertinent because it's an example of not just talking, but actually trying to make a fight with the P4P number one at the time. That instantly makes a liar of anyone who says 'Calzaghe never tried to fight the best in their primes'. He did, it's a fact.

 

When i say coward i dont mean in the sense that they scared of getitng hirt or fighting, but in the sense they become scared of things like losing their 0s or losing to people not rated or numerous other reasons. Maybe coward was to strong a word and i should have said all fighters seem to fear certain things.

 

not always. i dislike calzaghe but love the klits

 

Fair enough. Id agree in that sense.

 

If Joe Calzaghe was an American fighter and had the same record vs the same people at the same time he wouldnt even be considered a great fighter he would be considered a cherry picker. You cant do that here...even the cherry pickers here have to fight someone sooner or later. Our one known/celebrated undefeated fighter(Mayweather) may get picked on but you cant deny he beat some of the best fighters in the game in their primes.

True and I was one of those people, BUT once we saw what Lacy really was weren't we all kind of duped into believing he was a lot better than what he was? Lacy struggles against average fighters so what does that say about J.C? Not Much!

Calzaghe could have EASILY changed what he did by simply doing ONE THING and that was fighting Roy Jones in his prime. Even if he would have lost a close battle I still would have shown him 10 times more the respect that I do now. He is above average, but he is not ATG and if I had it my way he wouldnt even be HOF.

 

I don't dispute much of what you say, and Id be glad to read thru whatever quotes you post. However, I will not get into psychoanalyzing Calzaghe.

If the guy said he didn't want tough fights, I believe him. It may not have always been so as you say, but the fact that he said it is good enough for me to believe he meant it.

As for his in ring traits, I agree with you. He was tough and always rose to the occasion.

 

You dated that quote to June 1999, when Calzaghe was 26 fights into his career and had three defences of a WBO title (and to the Daily Mirror, I'm a little concerned that you have a decades old collection of the Daily Mirror, that's a little bit sad...). Would it be realistic for him to step up a weight to fight the P4P number one at that time? Given that the status of the WBO title at that time was lower than now, be kinda like Paul McCloskey fighting Mayweather or Pacquiao.

So we can believe that Jones wasn't on Calzaghe's radar in June 1999. And? It's one thing to selectively quote, but another if you're then taking that selective quote as being representative of his true feelings all the way to the end of his career. That's not what you're doing, is it?

 

I understand what you are saying, but if the only things that you believe are the things you mentioned, there won't be much to believe. These quotes aren't made up by Clinton. He pulled them off a website(check earlier post) that contains an interview with a British media outlet.

 

How do you specifically know that the Daily Mirror one is true?