Tua Versus Marciano

Funny, Patterson was roughly the same frame of Maricano, naturally lighter even when he wasn't draining himself, and more speed reliant, yet he added 10-15 lbs to better compete in the heavier 60s without losing that much, actually picking up some of his better wins. People are acting like Rocky is Qawi or something...who was like 5'5" on his toes and weighed below 170 early in his career...yeah I can see why fighting over 200 troubled him.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong but I think most of the 180-200 lb guys of the past would carry more bulk in contemporary times and compete at Heavyweight. While they trained hard, most of these guys did not have the best nutrition in those days to begin with.

 

Patterson had bigger shoulders than Marciano and smaller legs. Marciano had sloped shoulders and Yogi Berra's legs.

If Marciano would have been as effective or better at 200, 205 or 210 why didn't he fight at that weight ? The answer is because he would have been slower and had diminished stamina. The proof is in the facts. He trained down to 187 because he knew that was his best weight for performance purposes. It's cut and dry. Rocky was a warrior and never let himself enter the ring in less than top condition. He knew better than anyone how imperative it was to his career success.

 

I guess you have to ask what Marciano would have done had he fought in an era of 12 round fights where the opposition were on the heavier side.

While he would surely still have had a strong focus on stamina, I could see him electing to come in a little heavier. He seems to have come in at over 190lbs for his bigger opponents.

 

O dear lord..now HEgrants trying to claim patterson is naturally bigger than marciano!

Janitor, do you still have that video of youtube of marciano and patterson sitting next to eachother, and marciano's thick build makes floyd look little!

You know what I am talking about? would love to show it to HEgrant and shut his mouth for good. I promise you after you see this video, you will say "patterson does not have bigger shoulders".

Patterson is a natural 180lber who had to gain weight. Marciano is a natural 210lber who had to lose weight.

 

Because heavyweights didn't weight 250lb back then. He didn't have modern weight training, nutrition, supplements back in the early 50s. He ran 17 miles a day...that eats away your muscle. Marciano if he were around today, would focus more on weight training than long distance running...with better supplements/nutrition.

Why would rocky stay at cruiserweight today? who is there for him to fight? The big bucks are at heavyweight.

 

I think it is the Patterson Chuvalo fight.

 

Can you be THAT dumb ? The one where the camera angle distorts Marciano sitting on the outer left side of the shot so he looks twice as wide as Patterson who was ceneterd in the shot ? I guess his head was twice as large and wide as a basketball as well ... man are you small time .. try googling perspective distortion instead of porn .. it is a perfectly sums up your entire Marciano fetish ...

 

Suzie a few points, yes with modern sports science (training/supplementation), Rocky could add say 20lbs of pounds of muscle. That won't detract from the fact Rocky has quite a small frame, similar to Tua's, but imo not as naturally muscular/strong. Lets not confuse Rocky's physique with Haye/Holyfield's, his frame simply isn't as big. He would suffer the same problem Tua/Tyson had in the modern era and that is getting past very long jabs, and he wouldn't have Tyson's speed of hand/foot to help him compensate, not that he couldn't have success, but it would be hard. His right hand would also be harder to land against taller/rangier men, Tyson always considered himself to have a great right hand, but he rarely got a chance to land it.

Maybe in the more affluent modern era Rocky would have better childhood nutrition and grow to be taller/rangier. This is certainly true of many if not all, I have 5inches on my dad

Rocky is naturally bigger than PAtterson who is a middleweight with a very fien bone structure who had to force feed himself to maintain his 180-190lbs.

Anyway this is all meaningless, and fantasy what we know is Rocky was the best heavyweight of his era, proven, and that much can't be taken away from him

As for Rocky 'running 17miles a day', thats nothing more than hyperbole and not the optimum way for a boxer to maximise their stamina anyway, less is often more. He was in great condition for all his fights all the same

 

PP, you are making points to this kid that have been made time and again .. there is no way to rationalize with an emotional high school hero mentality ..

 

great post PowerPuncher. Funny how HEgrant attempts to agree with you, when his past history of posts shows he sided against this view.

I know who HEgrant really is. I have been posting in the same forums as him since 2003. Cyberboxing, Kevin Smith's black prize forum which sadly hasn't been used since 2007, and many more. This guy is borderline Marciano troll. If anyone, ever, decides to defend marciano on a criticism, he immediately shouts "You cannot rationalize with Marciano fans. They live in fantasy. They have no reasoning." He says this everytime, no matter how little you defend him, it's this every time. Hell, I don't even rate Marciano in my top 4 heavyweights of all time, yet he acts like I think Rocky would beat every heavwyeight who ever lived. How Naive can someone be? Like someone said in another thread, " I'd hazard a guess that you weren't captain of the debating team at Harvard in your distant past?" This guy is a leetch. He leetches off others videos, he has never contributed any of his own material for the forum. He is dead weight. We don't need him.

It's time to write to the mods, I am going to try to get this guy banned. I think I have enough evidence. Bye Bye Hegrant.

 

WTF ?

 

Your fanatical man-crush on Marciano is disturbing. Get help.

 

So Sugar Ray Robinson was a product of the 50s?