how much more would calzaghe have to do to get the respect he deserves?

Yeah but this thread isn't about winning the fights, it is about him getting the respect his fans believe he deserves. I gave a couple reason why I don't think he's as great as his fans think (and as great as he wanted to convince us before he retired). I think he's a great fighter though.

 

You dont get as much respect losing fights
Ive only seen your post on him being knocked down.
There was an earlier post someone made about people over rating and under rating which is probably fair

 

Eubank had his intention, and mind set on fighting at LHW, and then was given 2 weeks notice to cut down to SMW. Being weight drained is worse than being blown up or overweight. Eubank had been struggling to make weight since losing to Collins I, thats why 4 out of his 5 fights prior to fighting Calzaghe were at a weight class above SMW, 2 of them at Cruiserweight. Also Eubank jumped 2 weight classes after his loss to Calzaghe. The facts and the performances of Eubank support that Eubank was weight drained, and obviously past his prime.

Also Calzaghe wasnt the underdog, Eubank was written off after losing the rematch with Collins even though it was a SD loss after that was fighting a few bums then Frank Warren got Calzaghe a shot a vacant title. At that time people were saying a young Eubank would kill Calzaghe.

What do you mean about full props for Calzaghe on beating Eubank. Calzaghe is given props on winning a vacant title, this win dont make him a HOF'er, winning a vacant title by beating a weight drained Eubank, still Calzaghe is given props for that.

You mentioned Toney, Tarver, and Adamek but the difference between them and Eubank is that they were not considered shot before, during and after their fights. And Tarver moved up in weight for a movie not a fight it wasnt like he was weight drained he has been competing at the same weight ever since, so how was he weight drained.

Calzaghe ruined Lacy? Lacy was always hype, and the first Tsypko fight was 1 and half rounds? and you are saying Lacy whooped him in 1 and a half rounds, Lacy just scraped past him in a rematch

Calzaghe didnt want a rematch, if he did have a rematch and beat Hopkins decisively especially since Hopkins schooled pavlik, Calzaghe's respect would have multiplied, but he knew he got lucky the first time.

And Byron Mitchell was his best KO win but it aint top 5, definatley not top 4 and that just shows for a fighter to have a 70% KO ratio his best KO win had to be against Mitchell who got KO alot after his first KO loss to
Calzaghe.

 

I'd say he already gets the respect he deserves. There are calzaghe loyalists that rank him highly atg wise and there are fans who dismiss him because of his fighting style and the lack of well known opponents for like 6 or so years. Most rate him as a very good boxer capable of outpointing almost anybody round his weight. He'd never be able to win over his haters cuz of his style (and now age and inactivity) so there's nothing to be done

 

Joe needs to go over to London and catch up with Michael Myers and get a hold of Gold Dinger's time machine. Than he needs to go back in time and this time when Warren tells him to HIDE amongst the drunken Hordes of Wales, kick him in the nuts and buy a ticket to Vegas as fast as possible.

 

And when was that?

 

We can go around in circles all day arguing over how talented Calzaghe may have been, or how he would fair in fantasy match ups against ATG fighters. But the fact of the matter is that Calzaghe's resume is pretty ****, most people acknowledge this and no amount of whinging or moaning from certain fans is going to change that.

 

Everything you say is well reasoned. I just wanted in before Baileys sorry ass is back with a 35 part response "disproving" every fact and opinion of your post. Bailey's so busy defending Cokezaghe he can't even get an English girl to sleep with him, and let me tell you, that is saying something.

 

The thin resume and the fact that he was as cluelessly bad as any "top" fighter I've ever seen holds him back. He managed to fight over forty times without ever facing a puncher. a 147 pound Tommy Hearns would have beat the dog**** out of this guy inside 6 rounds. I normally don't agree with guys like Merchant and Sugar with the old, "back in the day shtick" but I'm with them on this pos. in the 1950's he would have been lucky to crack the top ten in any weight. In the modern era a fraud like this can hang out in one of the newly multiplied throwaway divisions and avoid real fights for 90% of their productive career and no one notices. British fans are so thick they think he's the second coming of Archie Moore for facing over the hill champions, over rated euro bums and American club fighters.

 

Any good psychologist would say that someone who keeps mentioning how he doesnt think someone else can get a girl is probally a Freudian ego defence mechanism to make up for the fact he himself cant get a girl or cannot satisfy the one he has. The persons expected defense to this would be to then accuse the psychologist of being jealous? and not being able to geta girl aswell, or some similiar response.

 

atsch

You're still conspicuously avoiding Talivar's offer to actually contribute something to the discussion by actually suggesting what alternative career path you would like to have seen Calzaghe take. I've mapped mine, other people have made suggestions, you continue to spout random nonsense that exposes you as being horribly out of your depth here.

 

I actually believe getting up and winning is just as important. It shows mental strength and ability.

Does Ali getting decked by Cooper, Banks or Wepner detract from his standing?? Would he be viewed any higher if he hadn't been knocked down?

 

walk across the face of the sun

 

Alot seem to fixate on his style of punching and lack of true KOs and make it sound like to be a true boxer you have to KO people alot. Also To the person who said he never got in the ring with a puncher why cant you tell us WHO these punchers are he should have met and how you would have gone about getting the fight .