Oscar vs Mosley II was the biggest mistake of the 00s

and that fact that you're saying that a mw title fight was pointless isnt silly?:huh. sturm was not a big name fighter, and does rank along the lines of Mosley and dlh, but that was also an important fight because it was a build up to a big ppv fight with hopkins, that right there made the sturm relevant. is it more relevant in history to dlh-mosley II, probably not, but that doesnt take away its importance. dlh-mosley II wasnt even as significant as their first fight.

 

this is disregarding the decision, dlh-mosley I, were both in their primes at their best. in the second fight, wasn't the same case plus you have the whole steroid issue with mosley. so between the two fights, the first was where both were at their best.

 

yeah poor decision.

should have gone to oscar.

7-5 or 8-4 to oscar was about right. :bbb

 

you're not following. the issue is the relevance of the second fight and the decision. you claimed that fight had a big impact on both their legacies. but you maybe wrong about that. mosley's second win over dlh isnt considered that great of a victory by everybody, primairly because many thought he lost, (some think he won, so not everyone agrees with you, imo, dlh won). and lets say dlh was given the victory, anyone can make a legit argument and say dlh never beat a prime version of mosley because you know that mosley was not that great at 154. just like you think that dlh vs. hopkins was pointless, most liekly because dlh was never a mw, mosley was never a great jr. mw. you can also say that dlh was exactly peak either, although he looked to be in better form.

mosley vs. dlh I was brought up to give an example that that fight had more significane then the second given the circumstances. it not slight on you, but you may have misunderstood, sorry about that. in short, dlh vs. mosley dosent seem to quite have the significance you think it does. to be honest, the questionable decison is the only reason why the fight gest talked about. the fight was not that memorable, especially in terms of history.

 

No, YOU'RE not following. This isn't about Sturm-DLH, Pac-JMM, Whitaker-Chavez, Holyfield-Lewis or any other dodgy or contreversial decison...The author wanted to discuss Mosley-DLH II..If you want to get in depth about how YOU FEEL regarding the Sturm-DLH make your own thread.

ARE you serious???? That win over DLH is the reason why Mosley's career didn't get lost in the oblivion...That win resurrected Mosley from a career palgued by bad decisions and two losses to Forrest, it automatically made Mosley the UNIFIED JR. MW champion, a three division champion and back on the top of the rankings!!! It open the door for Mosley to get big fights. Without this win Mosley would have been forgotten.

Both Mosley and DLH were at their best at 147 physically. At 154 both fighters were more flat footed, slower, and not as powerful. Other JrMW champs like Winky and Vargas were significantly bigger than both DLH and Mosley.

Mosley had beaten DLH and DLH beating him (which he did) would have been significant despite both of them being outside their best weight.

Hell, Pacquiao gets TONS of credit for beating a SHOT Morales simply because Morales beat him once, and Morales was in far worse condition than Mosley was. SO YES, Oscar gets tons of credit for beating a Mosley who BTW was under the influence of PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS.

:rofl Kid, you need to learn a thing or two!

Legacy wise is was extremely significant.

Mosley became a 4 time world champion that night, 3 division champion, and unified jrMW champion. It gave him his guaranteed ticket to the BHoF.

because of that fight he was able to further enter another unification bout against Winky Wright!!! Now cementing Winky Wrights Legacy!

Without the gift, Mosley's career is pretty much finished.
Mosley doesn't go froma two time world champ to a 4 time world champ.
Mosley doesn't become a 3 division champion.
Mosley doesn't become the unified Jr. MW KING.
Winky doesn't get the opportunity to unify the IBF, with the WBC and WBA.
Oscar isn't FORCED to further test himself at MW by running out of options at 154.
Oscar would have been the man to beat at Jr. MW
Oscar would have fought Winky..Very significant for both fighters.
Oscar would have fought fighters like Karmazin, Ouma, Jantuah, Santos, Winky etc..

In terms of legacy, and historical outcome it made a difference the direction the 154 division moved.

 

when you don't understand something, sometimes its best to ask. the reason why other fights were asked were to bring up a point. dlh-mosley II was an unpopular decision, but you still have people who think mosley won, so you cant call it an outright robbery, just like dlh vs. strum. unless you're blind fan, maybe you fall under that category. so not you're not following. :think

:rofl:nutNo, are you serious, right after mosley "won" the fight, he got dominated by wright. other then a ko win vs. vargas and mayorga, two fighters who were on the downside, mosley didnt do anything at at 154. his best performances came at 147 and under.

both mosley and dlh were better at 147, wow, you brought a shocking revelation to the discussion.:roll: and dlh fit better at 154 then msoely did. dlh is the bigger of the two and dlh scored his most impressive victory of his career at 154 when he beat vargas. if you look at mosley at 154, he didnt look as good, and he never looked as good as he did in his prime until he went back to 147, where he annihilated margarito. as for you're irrelevant pac/orales comparison. you aer just plain wrong because alot of people will tell you pac beat a shot morales. even if a guy beats you once, dosent necessarily mean avenging that loss will be as significant, you have to take into account the circumstances. if you know boxing, you should know that.

no, you need to learn, whoever you are, how the hell do you know mosley would have been done after a dlh loss? was he done after wright beat him, or forrest beat him or cotto? you dont even know if hes done after the mayweather defeat. you're just making stuff up now. as for wright legacy, how do you know wright wouldn't establish his legacy if he fought and beaten dlh had dlh gotten the decision. how do you know dlh still wouldnt fight hopkins? you claim is baseless. and at the end of the day, dlh more then likely should have gotten the nod but there are still people who think mosley did win so can you really say is one of the worst decisions you've ever seen.

at the end of the day, lest make it the you want it. lets say dlh beats mosley in the rematch, do you change where you rank either man?

 

I had Oscar winning. Not by such a wide margin, but winning all the same. Shane closed well, as always. Oscar definitely beat Trinidad though.

 

:think

Considering its a known fact Shane Mosley was full of PEDs going into the Oscar De La Hoya, one has to wonder how long this strong finisher was juicing for.

 

you're the one whos boring because you keep repeating the same thing:-((. so if its too complicated for you to understand, lets make it simple enough for you to get it, you ready.

you're whole issue is that bad decison in that fight had a significant impact on both mosley and dlh's career and their legacies. and thats your opinion. but you can look at that several ways.

first, some people think mosley won the fight so the topic on who should have won is debatable, right form the start.

now you can took a look on the impact on their legacies, would you rate dlh or mosley any differently had the decision gone to dlh? would you? the fight of course was meaningful because of who was involved, but doesn't it really change how you remember each fighter.

of course the outcome had an effect on the rest of their fights, but you can't tell for sure what would have happened to mosley had he lost the decision and what would would have happened to dlh has he won it . and at then end of the day the decision, while it seemed dlh should have won, is debateble and the importance of that fight is debatable because to be honest, if it wasn't for the decision, this fight might not get talked about that much . you dont need to get emotional about, you expect everyone has to agree with you?

 

You are clearly on drugs.

Oscar was DONE after the ninth round of the Trinidad fight. Getting on his bicycle and running for dear life was the best thing he ever did. Trinidad would have knocked him senseless has he stood his ground and fought...

 

Oscar didn't win a round past the sixth in Mosley I. He was CLEARLY beaten, as for the claim by Popkins that De la Hoya 'would beat Hopkins' if he was confident and in form is ridiculous. B Hop wins every single time. De la Hoya will be rated above Mosley when all is said and done but I don't think he would have been half as great had he fought in the era of 15 rounders.