how much more would calzaghe have to do to get the respect he deserves?

Look man Eubank was preparing to fight Mark Prince this is a fact if you think Eubank never had his mind set on fighting Mark Prince then you obviously taking your defence of Calzaghe to another level of nutthuggry by trying to big Eubank up.

4 of his last 5 fights were not at SMW, he had been struggling to make 168 before them 5 fights when he weighed above 168. Check his weights on boxrec and realise that Eubank was struggling to make weight, its common sense.

Most of the training camp was dedicated to Mark Prince not Calzaghe, also Eubank retired in October 1995 and then made a comeback a year later. 2 years after he supposidly had retired he fought for a vacant SMW title. But your trying to make it look like Eubank was up for it and was in his devastating prime, when he clearly wasnt.

2 years before he fought Calzaghe he fought Collins at SMW, what you trying to say, that Eubank was comfortable at SMW when he fought Calzaghe 2 years later?

He retired after the Collins 2 fight, and came back a year later and fought at CW. And then was preparing to fight Mark Prince at LHW, but then when there was 2 weeks left changed his plans to fight Calzaghe at SMW. But you want to think Eubank wasnt weight drained.

This is what I found on the BBC website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7872746.stm

Do you think Eubank put on a career best performance?
Carl Thompson lost his title immediately after Eubank, and never regained a World title. It aint like Eubank gave an ATG a solid 12 rounds, he struggled to finish off Thompson, a prime Eubank who had Watson in trouble finished him off. Then Eubank gets TKO'ed in the rematch.

Regardless, Calzaghe didnt fight Eubank in his prime thats all im saying regarding this because I cant find what the odds were in 1997.

Look if Tarver really struggled to make 175 like you claim how comes he fought at the weight ever since. Also allegedly dont mean ****.

Eubank was big in UK, and Thompson was a british champ, so the fight made sense.

first of all Tsypko is not top class, and Lacy struggled against him in the 2nd fight, even if you say he looked great for 4 mins in the first fight it dont mean ****. Lacy was hyped more than he should have been Calzaghe showed the world they have overhyped Lacy.

He didnt want to rematch Hopkins, he is happy with a SD so he was happy not risking his 0. Hopkins showed in his immediate fight with Pavlik that he never showed up for the Calzaghe fight. Calzaghe showed in his immediate fight with RJJ, the level he was at.

Mitchell was a SMW champ in the same era as Calzaghe, Liles and Ottke, that shows what kind of level he was at, but obviously you would want to say he was great because he fought Calzaghe. He was a good level fight but no need to over rate him just because he is Calzaghe's best KO win.

There is no need for nutthugging man just read the facts.

 

I respect him and that's all that matters. ...to me anyways.

 

Well done son

 

but why should the win (or any other win) lose significance?????
if roy jones felt confident in the first place, and jones isnt making any excuses so...

 

Give me a break. Over ten years the elite fighters in three divisions all avoided Joe. It had nothing to do with his promoters strategy of fighting only at home to build Joe into a local attraction? It was a profitable strategy in the long run but resulted in Joe having a very weak resume. Hatton and Joe have alot in common except that when it counted Hatton reached for the brass ring. Joe retired.

 

Because Roy Jones is way too shot to be fighting, as he was against Calzaghe... As he has been through every other fight since Johnson knocked him out. Just because he might seem confident, (just like every other fighter that keeps fighting too long) or won a few fights against a couple bums and a shot ATG WW that had not fought in 3 years. Does not mean he was even near what he once was, or even confident...

Calzaghe said Roy was shot himself, it is published. But then went back on his word because Roy beat Prince Badi, close grueling fight with Hanshaw, and a win over Trinidad, who was 4 weight classes above his best weight and had not fought in 3 years.

Joe and Roy wanted to make some money... And that is fine, I predicted Joe to outpoint Roy by a wide margin. and that is exactly what happened.

I never would have called this a meaningful fight, unless shot Roy in some crazy way was able to win... It certainly does not prove who was the better fighter when they were both young.... all we have to go on is their form against good prime competition, and Roy wins that battle.

 

You realize beating Lacy is one of Calzaghe's claims to fame, right?

 

Still no one is telling me who he should have got into the ring with that was actually available and willing.

 

h could start by punching with the knuckle of his gloves....



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If he punched with his knuckle his career would have ended many years earlier.

 

Out of curiosity do people beleive he hit like that out of perfered style?

 

preferred* style? no, cheating by using unpadded part of the gloves? you betcha.

why is this thread still going its been like up for a week. You know what? I bet you its a bunch of delusional guys from the UK who talk about Joe Calzaghe like he was something special, and the rest of the world telling them he wasn't. Oh yeah and the same two guys from the UK post about 29 pages worth, while the rest of us post once.

 

Maybe you only post once because you lack the insight to post anything usefull?

 

Froch Pavlik > RJJ (the one that Calzaghe fought)

BHop2, Dawson, > RJJ (the one that Calzaghe fought)

Glen Johnson > Peter Manfredo

Bruno Girad, Dave Hilton Jr, Glen Catley, Thulani Malinga, Dingaan Thobela, Eric Lucas, Markus Beyer, Christian Sanavia, Thomas Tate, > Tocker Pudwill and Mario Veit.

Or do you want to think all those people including Carl Froch dodged Calzaghe?

 

Froch i agree he should have fought instead of RJJ and should have made another attempt at Johnson after all the injurys. Bhop2 never should have happened due to how bad Hopkins made the fight with his acting, Dawson id have liked to see him fight before he retired but i imagine Calzaghe knew deep down he was to old for that fight. Apart from beyer tho the other names in your list wouldnt have made me think any more or less of him. And to Pavlim im unsure, id have liked to see him fight him but im pretty sure he would not get any credit for beating him due to way Pavliks career is heading now,