Larry Holmes vs Wlad Klit

Holmes would have his hands full of the present version of Vlad and I think that Rocket of a right hand of Vlad would be a problem for Larry. First there would be a battle of Jabs and I would be interested in how that would go. Vlad was a lot better than anyone Holmes faced but Larry was better than anyone Vlad faced...The present Vlad I would pick over Larry and I think he has a better arsenal than Snipes and Shavers and the jab would be a match for Larry not to mention the right hand over the jab. I like Vlad by a stop over Holmes but not written in stone

 

No. You ridiculously overrate his untalented fragile brother.

 

Yep. He also brutally avenged that loss to Brewster.

 

And the 2 other losses :think I can forget the Purrity one but not the Sanders one, he got his bigger, less glass jawed brother to sort that one out - and he nearly got KO'd in the process.

Holmes is in another league to both Klits....sure it might be a close jabbing contest for a few rounds but eventually WALDO would get dragged into a 'fight' and that's where he always comes short. Holmes KO 9.

 

I'd feel much more comfortable ranking Wlad higher if he had also avenged the Purrity and Sanders losses himself instead of having Vitali do it.

Vitali's continued presence also plays a huge part in preventing Wlad from being considered undisputed. Goodness, I can't wait for Vitali to retire. Continuing to defend his title while being undisputed (or very close, if Haye continues to duck) would do wonders for Wlad's standing. I don't think there's much left Vitali could do to improve his standing, unless he savaged Solis, Valuev, or Haye, or some combination of those three. Even then, Solis was fat and green. Haye was a pretender the whole time. Vitali beat someone Haye already beat...

Anyway, as for this fight, I don't like that Holmes had a very difficult time with just about every decent jabber he fought. And when you throw in power that probably exceeds Cooney's (if only because Wlad knows how to use it more effectively), it would be a very tough fight for him.

At the same time, I think Holmes was the better jabber of the two, and had that uppercut on the inside. While Wlad is fast, Holmes was 30 pounds lighter in his prime and very fast. I think there could be moments where Wlad could look foolish if he tried to become the aggressor.

I lean toward Holmes to win an ugly and close decision.

 

I pick Holmes to win this one to my old friend.. But, let's not turn this thread into a Wlad bashing session. I think Waldo is better than Cooney, snipes, shavers, and perhaps even Witherspoon. He'd have a good chance of extending this one the distance.. Its not like Holmes had devastating power, and certainly not in the form of a left hook. Klit may never reach the top 10, as those three bad losses will certainly assure, but he's won a fair number of his fights, and probably has the right blend of physical and stylistic attributes to trouble the Easton Assassin..

 

...You think Holmes definitively could not beat Ali? :huh Not me. I rank Ali as the top HW of all time but that doesn't mean the likes of Holmes couldn't beat him in his heyday to me. Holmes would've been a helluva a lot of trouble for Ali, imo. Ali in his prime would be faster than prime Larry, okay, but the actual gap in speed would be far smaller and less exploitable than it was against guys like Cleveland Williams, Sonny Liston and company. And that would be an enormous advantage next to nullified in comparison to to what it normally was for Ali during his initial run, the way I see it.

 

Yeah, I don't think holmes beats prime Ali.
Any time the shot, slow, and weak Ali danced against holmes, holmes had mo answer, and just waited till Ali stopped.
Ali would be doing this for long periods of time in his prime, and I don't think holmes would be able o handle ali's speed and footwork.
that's very true that Ali was looking espescially fast against Williams, but hw would still outspeed holmes and beat him to the punch.
I think holmes would potentially give Ali q very tough fight, every skilled boxer in his career gave Ali a fight, (Young, Norton, Terrell, bugner)..
I think holmes would just end up short against Ali as Ali's speed and footwork make it hard for him to keep it up.

 

Holmes by close UD12 or late TKO if Larry feels the points aren't going his way.

 

You mean this ?

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and this ?

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These were not losses against world beaters ... and of course he has modified his stlye into safety first protect chin at all costs style and I give him credit for it ... however you cannot grow a better chin or cut resistant skin ... who in the world has this man fought that is remotely as talented a Larry Holmes ? It's not that he lost but the way that he lost. He was destroyed three times. The loss to Purrity was no fluke, he got his ass kicked .. look at the film .. he was also decked and almost coming apart against Williamson and Peter.

Wlad has terrific skills but the sum of his parts do not place him anywhere near a playing field with an all time great like Holmes ... Holmes was much faster, a much better combination puncher, matches him with reach and would dice him up fairly easily .. after a few rounds it would be a farce.

 

Is it possible for you to place a post without a grade school mentality ?

 

Nice to revise history ... he brutally did nothing ... a shot Brewster fought a non-fight similar to Lewis-McCall 2 (excluding the emotion) and let his corner stop the fight because he was being jabbed silly and they were concerned about vision damage. Brewster took his shots like nothing. He simply knew he was shot and packed it in ..

 

Other small heavyweight vs the giant Superstars of today. I go with Wlad.

 

Holmes is 6'3", why do you consider that small?
Do you automatically pick Wlad and Vitali over everyone 6'3" and below then?!

 

Wlad's jab is not allot better than Carl Williams. I think Holmes faster jab and equal reach and better use of range/movement sees him win the battle of the jabs but the bafest would be closely contest. Still Wlad not being in control may see him panic under the pressure

This is an interesting contest, Holmes would be facing a bigger/stronger man, much like against Cooney, but Wlad is a more skilled technical boxer. Holmes is faster, more skilled, better footwork/movement and a more natural fluid fighter, where as Wlad can be mechanical. Holmes presents many of the problems Sanders offered, no he isn't a hard hitting southpaw, but the speed and natural fighting ability will give Wladamir the same problems, ie he'll get hit cleanly allot. I would look for Wlads power to make the difference but Holmes is very durable and fights back well when hurt, if he can take Shavers and Cooney's best he can take Wlads.

I see it being a close contest early before Holmes takes over and stops Wlad late on and thats even with the advantage of supplements/peds/nutrition Wlad has over Holmes