Sonny Liston vs Joe Frazier: Video

I've had a sneaking suspicion near the Martinez fight that Martinez was going to beat Pavlik. But before that, I picked Pavlik. Does that nullify or change my pick? Are things really that simple to you, or do you think that aren't conflicting factors to an opinion sometimes?

By the way, Martinez vs Pavlik and Abraham vs Dirrell are fights I've legitimately been wrong against as I've picked against them. Near the Martinez fight I said I have a feeling Martinez would win. I didn't change my pick, but I had a suspicion.

I didn't bet on this fight in real life. I did put Vcash on Green, but I was going to ledger a Ward decision. Either way, I would've won. Hence a ledger. Gambling 101.

Another example of you trying to claim that I bet real money with Green, unless you think money and vcash are the same. Seems you have trouble grasping the English language.

And this no ambition scenario, Green wouldn't be getting pummeled on the ropes. You called the fight wrong, big deal.

You thought that because you thought Green was stronger.

He wasn't getting knocked out either way. He got smothered and out-worked. You thought Ward would pick him off on the outside and jump in and out. If Green showed more ambition he would've probably done better because he would be on the outside. He wouldn't have gotten knocked out.

Of course I know you care about your status around here. The 40K posts would verify this.

Obviously in literal terms. But you're the king of distorting truth.

The first round was a tossup. Who do you think won the first round? Ward? Had Ward been away I'm not sure he would've gotten the shut-out. And I am notorious for giving rounds to the person I'm not rooting for. If you know my history you would know this.

You care about your status. And of course, have more experience on ESB. Also, you actually care about this validation. You deal with a lot of people differently. You're a knowledgeable poster, but have an inflated sense of your self worth. You're knowledgeable but basic. Your analysis isn't groundbreaking, you're not bold or very insightful. You're not incredibly knowledgeable, either. You're average on your sections. You don't have the wisdom of Burt, the knowledge of Janitor, Suzie Q, Old Fogey, the analysis of itrymariti, Stone-hands, the objectivity of Boilermaker, Duodenom, or Mr. magoo. Nor do you even bring the counter intuitive reasoning of Powerpuncher or Seamus. You're a follower for the most part. You learn from the others, and try salvaging off of them. You're friendly to most, and an alright poster, but nothing more. I'm an okay poster. But don't parade around the group like you in an effort to be validated or considered apart of some elite consensus.

If Green tried more than he had he would've spun of the ropes and had Ward on the inside. On the inside he was getting banged up. He didn't box to survive, he was suffocated. Apparently he was feeling well, that's his excuse.

Rarer for you than me I guess.

A better more accurate recap.

McGrain: You're talking about me. So Petei I loved your picking of Green over Ward.

Pete: Show me a quote or stfu

McGrain: Well you said you have a sneaking suspicion. Surely a sneaking suspicion is a pick. What else is it. You made a ****ing pick.

Pete: Uh, no, not exactly. I just fancied Greens chances more than most. I didn't pick him... if I had I would've. Actually thought Ward would win a decision. I don't see your analysis anywhere.

McGrain: Look at this analysis, better than Green over Ward.

Pete: You thought Green was too strong and would cause trouble to Ward in clinches? You got the analysis pretty off, and you ended up going your final prediction more wrong than mine.

McGrain: Better than picking Green over Ward

Pete: I didn't pick Green over Ward... atsch

 

Things I just learned from itrymariti

1. Fighting on with a bad cut is more heroic than fighting on with a broken jaw

2. The pain you suffer from a jaw break is no different than a bad cut.

2. Vitali overcame extreme adversity in the Lewis fight, despite losing the fight by TKO


Ridiculous stuff, eh McGrain?

 

Really? Not so sure about. And who are you trying to convince, me or yourself? Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself. You even go at lengthy points to search my history, and go on about how others respect you just to reiterate your status to me. Why are you doing this, to comfort yourself? If you're comfortable with yourself... why do you have to? If you don't care, what waste such great lengths to prove me wrong? You carry on to prove your worth. I guess you want to be the one to just inform me. Or rather just to set the record straight for classic to see. Like I said you care about your status here and how you're perceived. These long-drawn posts just to prove a point, and remember you dragged this whole trench-war off topic to something personal. When I end this discussion, you call it random "quitting" on threads. Like I have time for continuous series of your bull****. You have the pride of getting some moral victory on my quitting our discussions. Sorry I'm not here every 10 minutes to respond to your distorted crap. But obviously that's the action of someone who doesn't care, though. Again, if there's one thing you proven in this thread it's that you do care about my opinion.

Maybe you don't care about my opinion... maybe you're really not interested. If that's the case then you really don't care about your time. That's a shame. I do, so I'm done with your bull****.

 

Sorry, when did I say any of this ****? Get your carer to read my posts out to you again.

 

I must say, high on my agenda in life before I shuffle off these mortal coils, is to convice as many people as possible that Sonny Liston was a great fighter, when in fact he was a lucky bum w/ an 84 inch reach. I'm sure Cleveland Williams thought that as he was beaten down by Liston. Throughout the history of the division, Liston's skills are thought highly of the experts who covered the sport from the 20s-90s and above, but NOW we know they were wrong.Thank you, now my quest to overrate Liston will end and I shall move to the overrating job of Art Frias.

 

great video, and what a fight it would be.