***The Top 50 Wins Of The Decade, 2000-2009***

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  1. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    roy was always gonna be in trouble when he'd finally got through that long list of feather fisted sanitation workers he'd spent his career feasting on :deal
     
  2. horst

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    See above :-(
     
  3. horst

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    Yeah, guys like Bernard Hopkins, p4p#2 James Toney, Virgil Hill, Montell Griffin, etc etc... :dead
     
  4. horst

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    How do you get a thread posted on the news page?
     
  5. dahoe

    dahoe Member Full Member

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    good **** popkins
     
  6. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    After your very harsh grading on quality I was shocked to see Castillo graded as an A.

    1. Castillo fought at FW, SFW, LW, JWW, WW and was stopped at every one of them.
    2. The only success he had was at LW. Let's break it down:

    Stevie Johnson: Two very close fights with the small 5ft5 Johnston, a MD win and a Draw.
    Decent TKO win over Bazan
    2 Losses to Floyd. Many felt he won the first fight.
    Juan Lazcano: Very close fight again. A toe-to-toe battle where Castillo was lucky not to get knocked down after a big right hand by Lazcano when the ropes held him up.
    Joel Casamayor: SD win. Many felt Casamayor won this fight.
    TKO win over Julio Diaz
    Knocked out by the cheating Corrales.

    All in all 2 runs as WBC titleholder with a total of 5 successful defenses. He was never a dominant LW. All of his fights were close competitive fights; it didn't matter if it was against a Mayweather or a Lazcano.

    He returned the favor by coming as a JWW against a LW Corrales. KO win.

    UD Reyes.

    He was beaten by Ngoudjo but got a gift.

    Boxing analysts were picking him to beat Hatton at his own game because he was a great inside fighter but Hatton dominated him on the inside and knocked him out pretty easily. He was never going to make it at JWW where he didn't have a size advantage. It was pretty obvious from the Ngoudjo fight.

    More like a C+ or B- at best.
     
  7. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Quality of opponent has to be A+. You said it yourself "
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    Shane Mosley won a superfight with Oscar De La Hoya(A+) in 2000, became the p4p#1" and was undefeated to boot.

    Lesser fighters with lesser wins have been lauded as great fighters. Why shouldn't Vernon?
     
  8. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Come on man...only a C? The first legit loss of Jones' career. A devastating KO.
     
  9. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is too high.

    Why no Joel Casamayor TKO6 Diego Corrales / Super-Featherweight / 2003 ?



    It's more deserving than some of the fights on your list...

    I didn't see this. Those fights don't have that much in common.
    Byrds' was a flukey win.
    Lewis won on a freak cut while being down on the cards.
    Marquez won when Vasquez quit because of his broken nose but neither proved their superiority over the other. Vasquez knocked out Marquez in the next fight and won by SD in the 3rd.
    Casamayor outboxed Corrales in the first fight and busted him up. He proved his superiority again in the second fight but got robbed--it was his most assured performance in the trilogy. And again he did it in the 3rd fight.

    I'm guessing you haven't seen the fight as it definitely doesn't meet your criterion of "adequate proof of superiority on the night". Even with the non-existent KD and point deduction the best you can score it for Freitas is a draw. Casamayor's tko win over Corrales is a much better win.
     
  10. klion22

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    Wow, talk about putting in the work.

    My only complaint is that the top 15 is way too filled with Pacman/Barrera/Morales. But what do i know. Just my opinion.
     
  11. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, one could argue that's the biggest win of the decade.
     
  12. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Very Good effort.

    All these matters are subjective and folks could nitpick, but decidedly a very good effort.

    One MAJOR nitpick:

    Leaving out Lewis TKO Klitschko.

    Even BIGGER nitpick:

    The reason for the omission.

    It's your list and your criteria, but the stoppage-on-cuts-is-not-a-conclusive-win bit is, IMO, decidedly off the wall.


    And as a huge Vitali fan, I have argued that he has only one real loss (Lewis) as the Byrd fight was the result of an injury not caused by Byrd.


    I could see it if the cut was caused other than by a punch. But punching is part of the game and Lennox was the one that put the cut there.

    What if it had been both eyes and the man couldn't see at all?

    And think of the number of wins that would be thrown out using such criteria.

    Ali failed to legitimately beat Cooper ? Twice ?


    Anyway, back to topic.

    If you wanted this on the front page, you would probably have to truncate it.

    Or serialize it in two or three parts.

    I think it would be worth posting there.

    See link below:

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/write.html
     
  13. madkillaz692000

    madkillaz692000 Fuerte y Abundante Full Member

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    one of the best reads of mine so far on ESB:thumbsup
     
  14. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    You must mean the long list of future, past and current world champions Roy feasted on for the majority of his career. Along with a couple all time greats, and a couple possible hall of famers to boot.:hey:smoke

    Don't forget about this Banger.:deal:nono:lol:


     
  15. horst

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    Thanks for your comments and the tip about the news page, appreciated.


    I definitely stand firm on the cuts issue though. I knew that would be unpopular, but I stand by the fact that a win on cuts can be a good win but not a great one. If a guy is still ready and willing to fight, especially if he is winning the fight at that point, but a doctor or a referee decides a cut on his face is too nasty for the TV cameras, to me that is a total anti-climax, the kind of result which makes a rematch necessary.

    If a fighter gets KO'd or stopped, it was because his chin or defence were penetrated, and he lacked the skills or the resilience to prevent it.

    If a fighter gets beaten on points, he has failed to prove his boxing superiority over a completed bout.

    If a fighter loses on a cut stoppage, it was because his skin type meant it was prone to cut. Unlike a fighter's defence or his all-round game, this is completely outwith his control, something which he cannot improve in the gym or with teaching/training.

    To me, it's not a conclusive win at all. JMO.