Ingo vs Baer

The bottom line?

Ingo was a fighter with one good punch whose entire style was built around landing that one punch.

Baer was a brawler, but he could be tricky. He threw wide swings, but ocasionaly sent a sneaky straight one down the pipe. The ruse usualy worked. He also had an under rated left hook.

 

Agreed. I pick Baer in this fight. I think Ingo had a weak chin. I really do. Baer the exact opposite. Baer was the George Foreman of the 1930s. The guy was a monster. He has the power, strength, size, chin, and ferociousness to knockout literally anyone at his best.

 

**** me raw through the ass................ I'd chop off a nut to see "Dempsey-Baer" in the after-life........ In fact, I'm buying tix for that ASAP!

MR.BILL:scaredas::goodthumbsup:hat

 

"Risko, Farr, Braddock, Uzcudun, Loughran"

None of these men had a really big punch, though. Braddock and Uzcudun perhaps fair, but Paulino seemed to have gone back as a puncher by 1931. Risko, Farr, and Loughran had no punch to speak of.

1. Skill-I think Ingo had underrated skills. Patterson commented on this.

2. Stamina-When young and in shape, Ingo had reasonable stamina, although Baer is way more proven in this regard.

3. Ruggedness-the real fly in the Ingo ointment.

 

This is all true, but Baer also lost to all kinds of guys while Ingo only lost to a champion.

 

I like Ingo but this is one that Baer would have been up for, like the Schmeling fight..not that he would have hated Ingo, but for the importance of the fight..right hand vs right hand..actually Baer would have taken everything from Ingo and would have savaged him like he did Schmeling...maybe in 8 or 9.

 

I have to go with the consensus. Baer's superior chin should win it for him. I think Ingo might surprise with his boxing skills. Could he box his way to a decision? I think if he could go the distance, he would probably be able to win a decision. All kinds of people outboxed Baer.

We know Ingo is a goner if Baer connects. What about Baer if Ingo connects? I really would like to see that. While Baer had a first rate chin, Ingo probably brings more power to the table than any Baer opponent other than Louis. He basically put Patterson and Machen in deep doo-doo with one punch, and Machen was very durable.

On balance, I pick Baer because of his ruggedness, but I judge Ingo a bit more of a live underdog than the consensus on this board. He might well have the skills and speed to stay away from Baer, and that big right will be a pretty potent weapon against a man with the admittedly porous defense Baer had. It might come down to how many big rights Baer could take without buckling.



*Off the films, I judge Ingo's right to be more devastating than Schmeling's. I have never seen Schmeling flatten anyone the way Ingo flattened Machen and Patterson. Schmeling generally battered his opponents relentlessly over many rounds.

 

Yeah, Ingo's Bingo was a superb weapon...second only to Baer's in sheer power and a with a sneakier delivery system than Baer's..the big difference would have been as quoted before me, Maxie's ruggedness. He would have flattened Ingo very impressively with one of his own blockbuster rights, and would have impressively been able to handle Ingo's power.

 

If you have seen the Johansson-Patterson 1959 fight you will see that Ingo only connects with ONE good shot in the fight and thats the first knockdown.
After that he gets overexcited,misses most of the punches, not landing clean and almost shoves Floyd to the canvas.

 

Yeah, but off the top of my skull, I believe Max Baer fought quite a few more fights than Ingo and was generally far more active on the whole.....

Both Max and Ingo liked to chase broads, etc... But Baer never came into fights with a girth or love handles like Ingo did after winning the title........

Baer KO's Ingo in a thriller and a chiller..........

MR.BILL

 

Baer lost 13 fghts, 4 of them, when he was on the slide ,2 others were dsq's.
Ingo fought 2 top men imo, one gained revenge with 2 devastating kos, the other was caught in the 1st rd,I would not have been surprised if Machen had beaten Ingo in a rematch.First round kos are sometimes flattering to the winner.eg Shepard bombed out Maxim in 1 rd after losing a dec to him ,in the rubber match Maxim took 9 of the 10 rds.

 

Fair enough, but discounting the early dq's and the weird "loss" to Willie Davies, these are the men who defeated Baer:

Les Kennedy
Ernie Schaaf
Tommy Loughran
Johnny Risko
Paulino Uzcudun
Jim Braddock
Joe Louis
Tommy Farr
Lou Nova
Lou Nova

Where would Patterson rate among this group? I would say #2 behind Louis. Where would Machen rate? Pretty high, I think.

Or put another way, would Baer do better against Patterson and Machen than Ingo did?

There is no doubt Baer stacked up against tougher opposition. Still, some of the Euros Ingo feasted on made it into the Ring top ten now and then and he can't really be expected to do much better than he did, sweeping them all.

 

The difference between their competition, in terms of volume, is huge.

 

There are three things to take into acount.

A. Baer was matched verry hard verry early in his career.

B. Baer had a breakdown and went on a loosing streak after the death of Frankie Campbel.

C. Baer was matched against a lot of top contenders over his career while Johansen was matched against relativley few.

The best Baer probably murders the beat Johansen.