My best pick of Top-20 "Heavy" champs from 1887-2011. WORD!

This is not a p4p list. top 10 p4p will be better p4p than top10 of each division. which leads to ..

speaking of ******s , would you mind posting your own top20 or 30 for a good measure of idiocy ?
it does not take any smarts to criticize other man's list without posting your own. yours will be much worse.

 

Another thread ruined by frankenfrank's stupidity

 

I thought you were better than this.
But it was before this.
Jack Johnson has nothing to do with a top30 HW list , unless popularity and public effect are main criteria in your sorting.
Patterson top 20 ? why not Jimmy Ellis then ? or Jimmy Young ?
Ezzard Charles top 20 at HW ? for what ? for beating a rebounding old man ? for being stopped twice in his HW prime ?
for losing the rematches of his losses to these same fighters ?
Charles is a top10 LHW , but not a top20 HW.
Joe Louis ? he had a long reign but against what fighters ?
Did he ever meet anything close to Tyson , Tua , McCall , Vitali Klitschko ? Max Schmelling was enough to KO him. imagine what a real monster HW would have done to him , imagine the abuse a sharp focused James Toney would have put him through. Louis may be important historically , but h2h , how can one be delusional enough to consider him beating all these men , and if anything he should be ranked above Jack Johnson whom you ranked higher for some reason.
And was Jeffries' opposition any more dangerous than Valuev's ?
And had Valuev retire before Chagaev , he would have more wins than him also , and against a better opposition at that. Not to mention that had Valuev hit Johnson full force , Johnson would have needed a titanium spine .
And do you think Tua and McCall would have lost to the majority of the fighters in your list ?
Do you think Liston's wins were more impressing than Shavers' ?
And Shavers at least went the distance with Ali and once out of two with Holmes , Liston failed to do it.
Liston starched Patterson ? Shavers starched Ellis , Young and Norton whom were better and would have really stopped Bugner had the fight was not stopped due to cuts.
Jameel McCline knocked down almost every big , talented or dangerous fighter he ever faced , do you think Walcott would outbox him ? or maybe you think he would have stopped him ?

Shame you try to imitate SuzieQ.

 

maybe smart boy will share his wisdom with us by posting his great list of pre WW1 lightcruiserweights and paying his dues by placing Ali at the top2 ?

 

Frankenwank :rofl

 

Then again, it's better (though not quite as unintentionally entertaining) than someone putting Joe Mesi in the top 25 all time H2H heavyweights.

 

Did you forget Bob Fitzsimmons or is he number 31?

 

:good

 

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammed Ali
3. Jack Johnson
4. lennox Lewis
5. Evander holyfield
6. Larry Holmes
7. George Foreman
8. Sonny liston
9. Gene Tunney
10. Jack Dempsey
11. Rocky Marcioano
12. Jim Jeffries
13. Tyson
14. Frazier
15. Schmeling

Vitali Klitschko and Wladimir are still fighting.
vitali will take something like 17-20 spot (because his resume is not good)
wladimir, if he stays undefeated will take my number 6 spot (he has a good resume, he beat a lot of fighters and good fighters, not great ones, but very good ones, and he knocked almost all out, and came back after three mental destroying losses and looks unbeatable now)

 

How can you possibly have Gene Tunney over Marciano and Frazier? Tunney had only 10 fights at heavyweight. Beat a far past his prime Jack Dempsey 2x, and a few others. Never took on George Godfrey or Jack Sharkey.

 

because i like gene tunney
he was smaller then his opponents and fought very well

 

There , I put Sam Peter in and pushed Mesi one more place down 4 ya.
Mesi retired undefeated (unstopped included) and he did stop :
David Izon , Jorge Luis Gonzalez , DaVarryl Williamson and outpointed Monte Barrett and Vassily Jirov.
Would Sonny Liston or Jack Johnson or W.L.Sullivan have done better than him against exactly the same opposition ?
Liston had his jaw broken by a lightheavy and this is even a fight he managed to last the distance in (albeit in a losing effort) , Johnson ? was stopped himself by a previously stopped MW , Sullivan ? don't read too much books . try looking for PEDOBEAR in youtube , it is much better and healthier.

 

at HW Bert Cooper > Bob Fitzsimmons.
Just saw parts (not my fault , it is what i found) of Holyfield-Cooper and Holyfield may have had the benefit of a split glove.

 

32nd?