What's it gonna take to beat Mayweather?

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  1. StreetsofRAGE

    StreetsofRAGE Ballin Full Member

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    Vernon Forrest would have also had all the tools to beat Floyd at 147.
     
  2. puertorricane

    puertorricane Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    somebody that is willing to get in there and pressure for 12rds.. a hard body puncher, that also has a good chin and is not afraid to take two or three just to get one in... pressure, pressure, and more pressure.. who can fight like that.. well i dont know right now because most fighters today like to box and not many like to brawl.. i think pacquiao has the ability but he'll probably will go into that fight thinking he can outbox him and his corner will give him the wrong game plan.. if i was pacquiaos trainer i make sure he's in great shape and tell him to go inthere to fight from the bell without taking a breat to even think

    :hat
     
  3. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    We playin street fighter now??? Floyd ditto matches?
     
  4. Skilletscuz

    Skilletscuz mma champ Ronda Rousey Full Member

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    Manny Pacquiao...

    Someone who can put up 100+ punches a round
    Someone who can attack and hit at angles
    Someone who can sustained combos
    Someone who can take a decent punch

    this is what Pacquiao can do, and stylistically, very bad for Mayweather to go against...
     
  5. nuges

    nuges Active Member Full Member

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    A fighter with a great jab with good offensive output will beat floyd..greater size is a plus. fighter who has the best chance to beat him right now is pw.
     
  6. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Martinez has the greatest chance out of everyone right now.
     
  7. Skilletscuz

    Skilletscuz mma champ Ronda Rousey Full Member

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    possibly and possibly not... but why would PBF go up in weight? Martinez would have to drop down to 147 and thats too far
     
  8. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Martinez can't even make 147 anymoar. If the fight were to happen it would be at 154. I doubt Void gives enough of a **** to move all the way up to 160. It makes moar sense to make Martinez meet him in the middle since Void brings way moar **** to the table.

    emmanuel pac is too sloppy and is there to be hit

    Williams is too clumsy, so I wouldn't even be interested in watching Void make him look extremely stupid for twelve rounds.
     
  9. Skilletscuz

    Skilletscuz mma champ Ronda Rousey Full Member

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    well, the thing is that Pacquiao has proven he can take a punch. Even moreso, from punchers more powerful than Mayweather. Definitely he'll get hit by Mayweather, but honestly how many punches do Mayweather throw? Definitely not enough to cumulatively do a TKO on Pacquiao. And there is NO WAY for Mayweather to win by decision, considering Pacquiao can put up 100+ punches, quite a few combos/flurries (which not all punches can be avoided/blocked), and he attacks/slips in angles (tougher to avoid/block punches). Pacquiao's output would naturally outpoint Mayweather to the judges. The only alternative Mayweather really have is to get in a seriously timed and placed punch, most likely is very effective check left hook, like the one that totally unraveled Hatton.
     
  10. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    He only threw 70 average a round vs someone who actually cared enough to fight back in Cotto. Cotto doesn't have Void's reflexes, countering ability, and footwork.

    Anyone will get dropped if they take enough clean hits. emmanuel can't simply walk through whatever Void throws. Mosley, who has a better chin, wasn't even able to do it. Void is too smart and clever with the way he maneuvers around his opponents to simply let a man walk through everything.

    The man gets hit too damn much and he's sloppy. His punches from crazy angles are often round. This is perfect for Void. Void will have an easy night.

    Anyways, Martinez fights with his hands down and he's a southpaw. Void's signature rights would find a home easily.
     
  11. Skilletscuz

    Skilletscuz mma champ Ronda Rousey Full Member

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    we'll use Pacquiao's last fight, vs Clottey. He averaged 100+ punches for 12 rounds. What was Clottey's average? 20-30? Doesnt sound like a realistic avg vs a non-Clottey opponent? What was Mayweather's punch avg for the Mosley fight? Prob not too far off of Clottey's.....

    Mosley REALLY disappointed me. I didnt think his veteran fighting spirit would break against Mayweather's counter speed..... the thing is, Mayweather's afraid that his countering/leading speed wont break Pacquiao's fighting spirit as its broke everyone else's - THATS the problem
     
  12. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Clottey had no movement, and he can't counter off of his defense as well as Void. He's too slow, so his punches can be seen. **** that can't be seen hurts the most. Clottey isn't the most accurate puncher either.

    Floyd is a very patient guy and will be happy to win a decision if that's all he can do. If walking down emmanuel won't work he'll gladly box off his back foot to win rounds. He can also fight inside and in a clinch as an extra layer of protection. Void still has the skills to win even if someone stubbornly keeps charging.
     
  13. Samski313

    Samski313 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Im so sick of hearing this bs right here. Can any of you guys put up a highlight reel of Castillo shots on floyd mayweather that night. Castillo was doing a lot of pushing and shoving and was not hitting floyd clean those last 2 rounds. Just show me some highlights supporting this he won claim.
     
  14. Skilletscuz

    Skilletscuz mma champ Ronda Rousey Full Member

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    Floyd is patient cuz he knows he can outclass and outspeed his opponent. One problem is that he knows he CANT be patient with Pacquiao. He cant just sit there and wait for Manny to attack him. He's gonna get severely outworked. Exactly what happend to Clottey (not saying that Clottey is even near the abilities of Floyd) but Floyd's actually gonna have to move and also be assertive himself in attacking.

    The problem i believe is that most classic punchers attack in a linear line o set up their power, and Floyd depends on that. Pacquiao is like a friggin piranha and has very fast footwork himself to get into angled attacks that cant be fully anticipated or defended. His combinations also cant be fully defended because.... well their combination punches. Always a small percentage or more will land. And you cant counter as well if you're being attacked at angles.

    Ive seen Mayweather get frustrated at times cause there were a few combinations dropped on him that landed cleanly or couldnt mitigate with his slick defense. Pacquiao drops combos ALL the time. Fighters get gunshy in trying to counter when his fists-a-flying, cuz they dont know when its gonna stop and may get caught in the flurry while trying to unleash a counter punch. And Pacquiao does have 1punch knockdown power, ask Hatton about the 1st round, or Cotto in a couple of his rounds... they both got caught in the act

    All i can say that these two guys NEED TO FIGHT EACH OTHER! And it'll be both their faults if it doesnt happen...

    Thanx Leon for a great debate with substance..... havent had one yet w/o the guy going wonky or just reacting on emotions alone
     
  15. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Void's better handspeed and timing will let him beat emmanuel to the punch, and then he can move not letting emmanuel get his combos off.

    Void's footwork will close the punching angles for emmanuel.

    Emmanuel is extremely open to the straight right hand; back when he got his AZZ knocked out by that random guy in Thailand and even in his most recent fight. Void throws the best lead right in the game right now.