Jersey Joe Walcott in H2H matches.. How does he do?

good post

 

For sure, Walcott would take advantage of that opening but would be content with the snap-shot KD's and exhibiting the Jersey shuffle while confusing and schooling Larry IMO, remember this was no 20-fight JJW

 

Duodnem,

Thanx for that. I don't see gene tunney beating Walcott that easily though. Tommy Loughran a 19 year old teenager, nearly single handily defeated gene tunney with his left hand alone. Take Walcott, who had an equally impressive left hand, but knew how to throw triple jab combinations..and combine 2 fisted power, use of angles, footwork, movement, misdirections and tunney has a very tough task in front of him. Gene never faced a heavyweight with the jab/speed/power/footwork of walcott. It would be a first timer for Gene. I also don't think gene was adapt at fighting on the inside and I don't like the way he kept his hands by his waist without any head movement. I think Gene would have success with his flurries/fast hands/straight punches but I feel Walcott would edge it out.


I don't think Gene's jab would be too much of a problem for Walcott. Hoff had an 84" reach, Gene only a 77". Joe Louis a 77" reach, could not land his jab on walcott at all. In fact, Walcott has some terrific highlight reel jab slips from the louis fight. Walcott's head movement is unbelievable the way he slips jabs

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Checkout 4:28-4:34

You think gene is going to jab someone with head movement and footwork like that?

 

I think it was clear Walcott won the fight. One of the worst decisions of all time, and Louis knows it. Louis got outboxed/outfoxed/outworked/outjabbed/outmanuevered.

 

A Walcott win would be no kind of shock at all, and I certainly wouldn't ever put any money on an outcome either way. Tunney's jab was faster than that of Louis, and he often unloaded four or five at a time. A Tunney-Loughran rematch would have been interesting in 1928 or 1929, and they were both considerably improved and more evolved from what they were in 1922.

Granted, Gibbons was aging in 1925, but still formidable, as everybody who's seen the Norfolk knockout knows, and the way Gene dominated him has to be considered impressive, regardless. Tunney had prepared himself for the best version of Gibbons over a period of years, and waited until after he'd finally produced a conclusive performance against a pre Walker Greb (who obviously remained a top ten P4P ATG even then).

Concerning Gene's abilities, I strongly believe his admittedly inferior quality footage deserves to be scrutinized as Walcott's more viewable films and tapes are before making a fair assessment. There are clips of him doing some fine inside work and body punching, and he wasn't always as dependent on his jab as Loughran sometimes seemed to be.

 

Some who claimed it for Louis suggested that it was even after 13, and that Walcott lost the final two rounds by running away. I have not seen the complete footage. (Does it even exist in unexpurgated form?) Nobody questions that Louis would have been toast under the ten point system.

Whether or not Louis believed he lost, he certainly was disappointed in his showing, just as he was after Pastor I, Farr and Godoy I. What's more interesting to me is the trouble Pastor and Walcott gave him in their rematches. (Pastor after sustaining multiple early knockdowns. What happened between rounds two and 11 of Louis-Pastor II deserves more careful scrutiny. After ten rounds, Bob was catching up with ten more rounds to go, and raised his arms aloft when the bell rang ending the tenth. 28 seconds after the bell rang again, the Bomber made him pay for his celebratory hijinks though, and this time he didn't get up. Still, he became one of the few to make a serious mistake against Louis and live to tell about it in getting out of the first two rounds.)

 

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Good Post Duodnem.

My opinion on Gene Tunney has gone up lately, although I remain critical of him never fighting any black fighters, and not fighting Sharkey or Godfrey at heavyweight. But Gene is one of the very best boxers on film pre 1940. By far. And All time. He was a master master boxer. Very Straight punches, incredibly fast feet, great sense of range, High ring IQ, and he was physically strong/tough.


Walcott vs Gene is a very close fight

 

Rocky Marciano KO
Joe Louis KO
Muhammad Ali UD
Jack Dempsey KO
Jack Johnson UD
Gene Tunney LUD
Sonny Liston KO
Joe Frazier LUD
George Foreman LUD
Larry Holmes UD
Mike Tyson KO
Lennox Lewis UD
Wlad Klitschko UD
Vitali Klitschko LUD
Record: 4-10

Tua LUD
Terrell LUD
Norton LKO
Record: 7-10

 

Walcott has a chance against anybody by virtue of his style.

Forgett about the proverbial punchers chance. It isnt worth two buckets of warm spit against a fighter with a decent chin.

A clinical boxer like Walcott with decent power has a chance against anybody.

 

Walcott himself weighed something like 198lbs at his peak, yet you think that anybody over 200lbs would beat him.

Is 200lbs a maginc number, where a few ounces either side of it determines the outcome of a fight?

 

Suzie Q, one pont you make on Gene Tunney that no one brings up...
Gene Tunney when he was mature was very strong...The way he dealt with the aging but STRONG Jack Dempsey in the clinches was impressive.
He was able to tie Dempsey up in close most all the time..Though slow, Dempsey was a powerful force inside and Tunney's underated strengh
and guile nullified Jack in their two fights...Tunney's formidable boxing IQ
and surprising toughness made Tunney one of the great heavies in
history...