Jersey Joe Walcott in H2H matches.. How does he do?

1990s Foreman would lose every round to a Prime Gene Tunney. He would get shutout, slaughtered, humiliated.

 

Overall, Joe Walcott doesn't do well with the whole crop if all are placed in time machines when all were peaked.........

BUT! My personal matches would be: Walcott versus "Johnson, Dempsey & Tunney." I'd like to see how them three fights would pan-out......

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Yes the "cruiserweight " Dempsey though 190-95 was bigger in body structure than many 200-10 heavyweights as most of Dempsey's weight was in his upper body which was very powerful...
This little ole "cruiuserweight was able to flatten Carl Morris, Arthur Pelkey,Fred Fulton, Jess Willard, Luis Angel Firpo, in record times !!!
They might not have been great fighters, but they were big and tough guys...After all my favorite Joe Louis 'cruiserweight " took 13 rounds to ko a big inept Abe Simon,and SIX rounds to ko Primo Carnera...Powerful punching Mike Tyson couldn't kayo large Bonecrusher Smith and other large men...Hmm,why the double standard on the CRUISERWEIGHT Dempsey but not the others...No answer is needed as we know why ?

 

True. Gene worked as a lumberjack (I read for a year) specifically to strengthen his brittle hands. Anybody who's chopped, sawed and split firewood knows what it does to develop tensile strength and muscular endurance. (This was the foundation of Ali's strength training as well, and even Foreman wasn't able to physically out muscle him. In fact, only Holmes was able to do this, when Muhammad foolishly weakened and enervated himself by overdosing on Thyrolar. Later, the muscular Berbick found himself being controlled in some clinches by a wiser Ali who hadn't abused Thyrolar.)

Gene weighed 173 for Carpentier in 1924. Exactly four years later, he'd packed on 20 pounds of hard earned muscle for Heeney. I feel this strength development on Tunney's part was a key factor in his separation from Loughran after they met in 1922. If Tommy had followed his lead and methodology in dedicated strength development, maybe he could have succeeded Gene as heavyweight champion.

 

Hmmmm

I think that you could have given him much more favourable matches from that list.

 

Really?

Question to Suzie Q.

How many of the below fighters lose to Rex Layne, Abe Simon, Joey Maxim, Jon Allen ( who had a losing record when he beat Walcott ) Roy Laser, Tiger Fox, Billy Ketchel, Al Ettore, and Henry Taylor?

I await your honest reply.

I would not pick ANY of these men to beat the below legends. Yet Walcott lost to them, and in some cases was knocked out.

Rocky Marciano
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Gene Tunney
Sonny Liston
Muhammad Ali
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
Either Klitschko

 

You have got to be kidding me!atsch

 

In Dempsey's autobiography, I believe he wrote that he weighed 236 when he undertook training for Gibbons. (236 is also supposed to be the weight Louis topped out at while in the service during his WW II hiatus.) He included a photograph of himself standing with Tunney, Carpentier, and the then champion Frazier during his 75th birthday bash. While Carpentier continues to look relatively thin and frail by comparison, Tunney and Dempsey look significantly taller and considerably larger than Frazier, even in old age. (Gene had gotten somewhat bloated by drink, but Jack seemed to take decent care of himself as he aged.)

If Frazier was fighting in the 1920s, I suspect he'd be competing under 200 pounds. That limit was actually his stated preference during his peak (and he did get into boxing explicitly to lose weight), but 203 was as low as he got for Bonavena I & II, Ramos, and Quarry I.) Conversely, I suspect Tunney and Dempsey could actually compete in top condition around 210 today, even without modern weight gaining methods. However, Jerry Quarry proved it wasn't necessary to weigh 200 pounds to beat up on Mac Foster, Ron Lyle and Buster Mathis. (Jerry was about the same height as Dempsey and Tunney, but had a 72" reach, while they had reaches of around 78 inches.) Nobody I know who met Dempsey described him as "small." (In fact, a couple of them said he was "a great bear of a man," in both physical stature and personality.)

 

I just thought that was where Joe Wally would fit in well cuz of the sizes and styles, etc.......... Walcott would get eaten alive by many of the post 60s heavies........ IMO!!

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Of course Joe Wally would do well against "Patty, Ingo, Ellis, Spencer, Quarry & Bonavena," but not against the real elite dude's who I ain't gonna waste time listing cuz we ALL know who they are...........

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Jersey Joe Walcott was nowhere near his prime when the majority of these fights took place. I only count his losses against him post 1945...when he actually had food on the table, a real manager, a real trainer, was able to devote full time to boxing, and wasn't suffering from Typhoid.

So that leaves Rex Layne and Joey Maxim. These losses do hurt, but when you consider Walcott was robbed against Joey Maxim "Clevelander won a very unpopular decision here last night" according to the New York Times, and Walcott twice avenged that loss..then Walcott clearly had Maxim's number. The Rex Layne loss is a stinger, especially since Jersey Joe Walcott was such a big favorite, but Layne was capable of giving many great fighters problems on his best day.

You should take the good with the bad. Walcott has one of the best win resumes of all time. Better than most of the men on the list. Walcott beat a long list of quality fighters, and did so in all shapes/styles/sizes. Afterall, we are comparing Walcott on his BEST NIGHT vs these men. Not on his worst. This is a h2h comparison.


Jersey Joe Walcott is so much tougher than a coddled fighter like Vitali Klitschko. Walcott got into the ring in the 1930s on late sub notice against top ten fighters, with no training, hardly any food in his stomach, and in some cases with typhoid fever. Walcott should not have been granted a boxing liscense for some of those fights. He later said "there was a period where I went to bed starving everynight for 5 straight years". He had a family of 6 to feed, he had no trainer, no time to train, he had to work on the docks all day. LOL Vitali couldn't even get in the ring with Hasim Rahman back in 2005 on 4 separate occasions. Just a different breed of fighters today.

# of Ring Magazine number 1 contenders Vitali Klitschko has defeated- ZERO

# of Ring Magazine number 1 contenders Jersey Joe Walcott has defeated- Three



Jack Blackburn thought so highly of Walcott that he agreed to train joe louis, only if Walcott could come along. Walcott got the invite, but caught Typhoid Fever and never made the trip. Blackburn was quoted as saying Walcott had more natural talent than Joe Louis.

 

Dream On. Walcott would embarrass most of the post 60s heavies including George Foreman. Foreman thought Young was cute? Oh Boy, wait till he faces a real cutie like Walcott!

 

I wasn't talkin' bout contenders or pretenders......... I was talkin' bout "Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Holmes" and several more upward over the yrs......... Wally ain't doin' well with this lot........
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You have got to be kidding me with your Vitali Klitschko in your top 10 heavyweight of all time list pick. atsch