Could Sugar Ray Leonard be top 10 fighter of all time?

I didnt see him stumbling around the ring like Hearns sometimes does. That means he had better balance. Even Dunde has mentioned this as one of Tommy's problems. In fact, I still have Jim Hill's interview with Bert Sugar and Dundee the morning of the Hagler-Hearns weigh in. When asked, Dundee mentions Tommy has a bit of a problem with his balance.

But not my man Terry, who was one of the most versatile and fastest fighters ever. In just his 4th year, he was matched with Ray leonard, coming off perhaps the most dominant performance ever. Some say he was getting old but in fact, Leonard just kept adding to his bag of ever expanding tricks and still raking up more titles. He wasnt getting older, he was getting better. But Ray had never faced a man of TN's combination of talent, speed, power, defense, and mental toughness. Notice how quickly he put Ray in his proper place? By round 3 he had Leonard beat.

THIS IS NOT A PUTDOWN! Terry Norris would have destroyed anyone that night!

Observe the incredible confidence he had coming into the ring and at the stare down he was as cool as ice. Notice how he made Ray look away from him?

Now observe the versatility of Norris. How can even Ray leonard cope with such a fighter that can do so many things in a fight? Also note that during round 7 how Tn was able to get Leonard to move the way HE wanted

This probably falls under the thread "cleverly set traps" where Terry lured SRL to the ropes where Ray thought he had TN trapped where he can unlad those blistering hooks to the body. Ray tried to set Terry up but Terry with his incredible speed, beat him to the punch bring Ray down for the second time.

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That right there is what greatness looks like

 

You creep me out, dude. You're very strange.

 

you have insulted me. This makes me very sad

 

im not looking for an argument here, just an honest reply. You have made it quite clear what you think of SRL as a fighter and even yourself should agree that SRL was past his prime when he faced Norris. Maybe you wouldnt agree i dont know so lets say SRL was in his prime. My question is; if SRL is the fighter that you seem convinced he is, why do you put so much stock in Norris beating him?

 

I've never said Ray was over the hill. In fact, I've made my case with just his previous fight in whcih Ray won every round against Duran. I just said that Ray never faced a man with the slickness and speed of a Micheal Nunn or Terry Norris, both of whom would destroy Leonard.

I honestly dont think it would have mattered what age Ray faced him at becuz Norris had what it took to hurt him. When you hurt a man, you can force him to basically fight your fight and this is what happened in their fight in which Ray fell into a groove he couldnt get out from.

The first time TN hurt Ray was with a body shot in the first which forced Ray to fall into the ropes. The second time when he went down I can see Ray wasnt badly hurt but it may have had a psychological effect on him. In fact, I'm sure of it. At the start of round 3, Ray belonged to TN. TN nailed the coffin shut with a brilliant combination which culminated with a left uppercut that ruined him and Ray couldnt shake it off.

it was a left right to the body followed by an uppercut thru the guard. it was executed so smoothly, that all three shots got in full force. Whatever Ray could come up with, Terry had the answer for but this goes over most people's heads.

For example, look at round 6 when Ray tries one of his haymakers. Terry simply ducks underneath and Ray leans on top of him to prevent being countered. A soon as Ray pushes off, Terry belts him hard to the ribs to which the fight Doctor says "that landed so hard it sounds like he hit a bass drum"

Only Terry had the speed to execute these kinds moves in such effortless fashion. TN made it look easy all the time. I think people like M2S just get pissed becuz TN didnt have to struggle. It's like they say, the better you are the more you are hated and such was the case between the media and young Hagler and between many SRL fans and Roy Jones. But this doesnt apply to me. The better a fighter is, the better i like him

 

What does that have to do with anything?

Obviously I did, because you're still unable to provide the names of comparable HOFers that Norris disposed of in similarly quick fashion.

Nah, schooling you is a breeze. :smoke :yep

So Norris reached his peak right when Brown clobbered him, then? :yep

WTF are you blabbering about?? patsch

Bigger than who? Certainly not Norris, who peaked at the same weight that Mugabi did.

Why should I be embarrassed watching you own yourself. :huh

So according to you, Hearns' physical advantages far outweigh Norris' allegedly superior balance and result in Hearns being a more efficient fighter than Norris. :deal

He's also more the height that Pipino Cuevas was (Pipino Cuevas was annihilated easily by Hearns in '80).

Then you didn't see this:
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atsch :!: :huh :nut :nono

later dingbat

 

On the contrary, your work as just begun. :nono

Norris is separated by an inch from either fighter.

As confirmed by the Boxing Register:
Leonard - 5'10"
Norris - 5'9"
Cuevas - 5'8"

I'm VERY interested to hear how and why the inch difference between Norris and Leonard is somehow "bigger" than the inch difference between Norris and Cuevas. :think:yep

This should be good... :yep

 

This wont be very good...for you

You said Norris was more the height that Cuevas was than Leonard yet you gave the heights yourself with Norris coming in EXACTLY between the heights of both men. So how can Norris be MORE the height of Cuevas than Leonard??? :huh

See for yourself

Dummy

Why would anyone go thru all the trouble you just did only to make an ass of themself?

Why dummy?

Do you wish to retract your earlier statement?

If I were you I wouldnt show my face around here again atsch

Later dingbat

 

You mean this, when neither guy was looking at each other?

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Or maybe this incredible confidence that Norris had coming INTO the ring, as opposed to gaining more confidnce during the fight?

http://ringsidereport.com/?p=2332

 

I take that quote with a grain of salt, I think he was just saying that to be nice, he also said that he was scared going into the Meldrick Taylor fight. You don't actually think he was scared of Taylor also do you?

 

No, before that, during the stare down. It's as tho it was decreed that Norris could not lose. And even tho Ray had the crowd on his side it didnt matter a bit becuz whatever befell him could only be the will of Terry Norris. I didnt give Ray a round

 

Yeah, me too Benny. Norris just had that look about him during the stare down. Ray had to look down to show he wasnt unnnerved. Terry was supreme that night and if you ask me, was beyond challenge so I credit Ray for just surviving

 

I remember George Foreman saying that in the first Frazier fight. Somehow I get the feeling he really wasnt afraid of Joe

 

No, I said Norris was the same distance removed from either man's height.

OK, here it is:
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7187622&postcount=156

You lose, once again.

Look in the mirror.

You would know, since the only one making an ass of himself in this thread is you.

As soon as you answer the question, you'll have your answer. :roll:

Why would I "retract" something that is factually correct? :huh :nut

What for? Why shouldn't I want to show up to see you respond to being schooled again? :huh

Good, I'll be waiting.