Arguello vs Mayweather at 130

Have you actually seen that fight? The outcome wasn't in doubt.

"Glorified gatekeeper" my arse.

 

Just because a boxer has a hard fight with an inferior fighter doesn't mean they can't raise their game against a great fighter, it happens time and again

 

But if a boxer struggles a couple of times with a certain style, then it's pretty logical to assume that he would struggle worse against a better fighter of that same style.

 

Struggling is a tad of an exageration, Chavez went for broke throwing 100punches a round and got stopped. Hatton tried to do the same got stopped. Castillo/Corrales who were vastly stronger/bigger - around 9lbs/10lbs heavier (HBO fight night weights according to this video near the end (not trying to turn this into a Pac/FMJ discussion ):

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That extra size/weight allows them to take Floyd's punches easier, ie walk their man down. Given Chavez wasn't a weight drainer, he wouldn't have the same strength/size advantages these guys had, his punches would be easier to take and he would get more buzzed from Floyd's own punches, although he ofcourse has a great chin

With Castillo he had 1 close fight while FMJ was said to be injured, before being clearly outboxed in the rematch

Chavez is a better boxer than Hatton/Castillo/Corrales but is smaller and weaker. So its not all advantages

You also have to flip the script and say how did Chavez do against great defensive boxers and speedsters. Well Meldrick was on his way to a points victory and Whitaker beat him.

 

Mayweather is my number one at the weight, but i agree that the man with the best chance of beating him at that weight is Chavez.

 

I think Camacho is the toughest stylistic match up, Mayweather would need to use his better defense/timing to out think Camacho

 

Nice call, i reckon he could offset him though, i do actually just think Mayweather is better though, competetive fight for sure.

 

Did I say the Chavez/La Porte result was ever in doubt?.....I just said it was a relatively close fight, depending on how one scores the swing rounds.. Reading comprehension is not your strong point.

 

Mayweather would Arguello by Unaimous Decision. And would beat JCC at 130 too. 130 wasn't Chavez's prime weight. 135 was that weight he may beat Mayweather at 135 but not 130. Mayweather had the special handspeed, movement, enough power to beat Chavez at super featherweight.

 

I disagree on pretty much every count.

Chavez's physical strength was always exceptional, and his bodypunching was more brutal than that of Corrales, Castillo and Hatton. To say that he would be more affected by Mayweather's punches is ludicrous, Chavez's chin was iron and was far better than Corrales or even Castillo, and that's taking those guys' weight advantages into account.

In fact, to say Chavez is "smaller and weaker" than Corrales, Hatton and Castillo is actually thoroughly insane. :nut

Corrales was a stringy beanpole at 130. He had good power, but he was not a physically formidable ring presence in terms of brute strength.

Castillo was a big, strong fighter, but I don't think he was Chavez's equal in terms of using his strength and power to its maximum effectiveness.

Hatton? Sweet Jesus, give me a break. When Floyd fought Hatton, Floyd was the established welterweight, and Hatton was the 5ft 6in light-welter that Luis Collazo had already proven did not belong at 10st 7. To suggest that the superfeatherweight Chavez was p4p "smaller and weaker" than the welterweight Hatton is, sadly, typical of the bizarre stuff that you come out with any time your man Floyd is the thread-subject.

Chavez at 130 would present Floyd with (a) a more physically fearsome challenge than anyone mentioned, and also (b) a far, far tougher challenge in every other way imaginable, both in terms of the boxing match and the psychological war, because he was just so much stronger and better than Corrales, Castillo, Jesus Chavez or Ricky Hatton.


With the Jesus Chavez and Jose Luis Castillo fights in mind, I really can't see Floyd beating JC at all. Jesus's volume-punching and aggression were problematic for Floyd, Castillo's intelligent pressure and bodypunching even more so. Julio Cesar is everything these guys were and much more. Unlike Jesus, he knew how to defend himself coming in, and was more stronger and tougher. Unlike Castillo, he could fight effectively at pace, picked his shots better, and threw harder, better combinations.

I'm of the opinion that Taylor and Whitaker fought lesser versions of Chavez. The mid-late 80s version at 130 and 135 was better. Floyd was at his best when he fought Jesus and JLC at 130 and 135. The best Chavez beats the best Floyd, stylistically I can't see any other outcome.

 

I think J.C. Chavez has a better chance than Arguello at beating Mayweather due to styles, even if Arguello peaked @ 130 and Chavez @ 135.

I don't think Jesus Chavez really gave Mayweather much problems though. Just like Hatton, they made Floyd work harder but they were the ones eating the great majority of the clean shots.

 

Agreed..

 

Re-watch Jesus vs Floyd. I bet you'll be surprised. It's easy enough to lump it into the same category as Hatton vs Floyd in retrospect, but if you actually watch Jesus vs Floyd, it's a far more difficult fight for Floyd. Against Hatton, Floyd stayed in the pocket all night, was able to stay in his comfort zone, pick his shots, and gradually beat Hatton down with his plan A. Against Chavez, this was not the case. Floyd's plan A was to overpower and overwhelm Jesus - and this plan failed. Jesus just would not be deterred, so Floyd had to adapt during the fight, change it up, and then beat him down another way. Larry Merchant even says in the commentary that Floyd's change of tactics mid-fight is like a type of defeat, because he was losing rounds to Jesus and was forced to change up.

 

You either don't have a clue about weight in boxing or your deliberately being obtuse. Guess what when a man is 15lbs more lean body mass he is stronger, its not up for debate and its very simple to figure out. Thats why fighters aren't as effect going up in weight.

You actually think a 160lb Hatton (what he did weigh in the ring against Collazo) isn't stronger than a 130-135lb Chavez :-( Do you think Chavez is stronger than Valuev too

If you can't understand much bigger men are stronger you're simply ******ed

 

Or maybe he stepped up in class and didn't look as good, he had great wins in the interim. FMJ wasn't at his best against Chavez (weight drained) or JLC 1 (injured)