Top 40 P4P Greatest H2H Fighters Ever - Rough Draft

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  1. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I personal rank him number 1 lol.

    Top 7 is good imo.

    Was the first fighter to hold onto 3 weight divison titles at the same time.

    Holding the lightweight, jr welterweight and welterweight titles all at once on when he beat Jimmy McLarnin in 1934 the first time.

    He would give up the lightweight title and the Jr Welterweight in 1935 of April. Thus making him the first man to hold 3 weight titles 4 years before Armstrong did it. He was also one of the VERY few guys to hold 3 linel titles before the alpha soups.

    Was perhaps the best of his era, before Armstrong, and has wins over McLarnin, Canzi(2 times) Petrolle, Battalino, and Flick.

    In over 80 bouts, he was never knock out. The guy had a chin of iron imo.
     
  2. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    thank you for not including jofre in the list
    but where is stanley ketchel?
     
  3. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Definitely needs reconsideration. Not sure if he could get top 7 for me but probably in the teens at the least.

    Ketchel was a great fighter but not quite good enough to make it.

    But you always brag about Valuev greatness due to his size. He loses that here... damn though. I did miss Pognsaklek. I wonder where he could fit in? :think
     
  4. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Greb wins are a bit overrated, or so I've always believed. Tunney weighed 181, a solid heavyweight by that day's standards, while Greb weighed 167 1/2, which is a super middleweight today, in their last meeting. In the others, Tunney averaged about 10 pounds advantage.

    And Dempsey? What giant did he kill that ever did anything?
     
  5. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Once again have you ever heard of Mark too sharp Johson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Im not joking MOF!!!!!!!
     
  6. Boxed Ears

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    It's not just size, it's also masterful skill. Combining the defense of a prime Willie Pep with the offense of a prime Louis (only bigger and stronger, obviously.) Now, tell me this, Pete...have you ever seen a double punch like this?

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    "P4P #1" Pacquiao's double punch on Clottey looks ...quite weak by comparison.
     
  7. Boggle

    Boggle Grozny State Of Mind Full Member

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    After all the work we've done to shed light on Niko's obvious talent, there are still those who only see him as a dominating force due to his size. When will they learn? When will they see the forest for the trees, and that huge man in the forest, killing a wild boar with his bare hands? When?
     
  8. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Yeah, you should have included jofre
     
  9. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Are you sure this isn't an ATG list?
     
  10. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    There are several fighters there that aren't on film. How do you rate their H2H ability?

    And Jack Dempsey is a better fighter than Pernell Whitaker? Did you consult Bert Sugar about this or something?
     
  11. JohnThomas1

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    Actually, that's the way i took it :oops:
     
  12. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Also, Monzon above Napoles? :fire

    Napoles was outboxing Monzon at 160 despite being a natural LW until Monzon got a lucky cuts stoppage. I think that establishes Napoles' superior H2H credentials conclusively if the other film does not.
     
  13. Boxed Ears

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    :lol::lol: No one should be fooled by the infamous man-crush Sugar has.
     
  14. JohnThomas1

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    6 heavyweights and no Larry Holmes might be an oversight, especially with Marciano at 16.
     
  15. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    That's the challenge. You do your best by going by testimony, and try understanding the varying styles each fighter's record shows helps us do this.

    Why does everyone have a problem with Jack Dempsey in H2H? Not only is he a favorite against Wlad, but now we're talking on a P4P level. I think Dempsey is basically a better Chavez, who although lost to Whitaker wasn't shut-out or anything.


    I was probably most unhappy with Ross and Napoles spots. I was flipping Monzon from 30's to 20's, Hopkins was shifting around. Had trouble with Holyfield, Hagler, Hearns, etc. That middle tier was the toughest spot to split.

    I knew you wouldn't like that though.

    Holmes almost made it. 6 HWs, with almost half of these HWs being fighters that fought in multiple divisions. There's only real 3 HWs on the list that were solely HW... well also Frazier at spot number 40. I was very unsure with that, as I stated though.