Should Bute have been counted out against Andrade?

Like I said, the only real debate is if the fight should have been stopped prior to the last KD. The clips were posted up.

 

The controversey over this fight is a Red Herring at best. Bute cleared the matter up emphatically in the rematch.

 

Bute trained himself ragged specifically for Andrade ever since the first bout.
Andrade didn't know a 2nd bout was in the works until late.

 

You need to be OK to continue, even if the final bell has rung. If you're technically on your feet, but out on you're feet in the ref's estimation - you have been knocked out.

 

He was out man. The ref was bull****. I know what the rules say but when a guy who's been knocked down gets up, most fighter head over to him to try to end it. Andrade was robbed. Bute dominated the fight, but imo was ko'd. He did what he had to in the rematch though, no doubt about that.

 

the most important thing is Bute was in no condition to continiue. he was ko´d from legal punches during the last round.
Andrade was at least the moral winner.
Now should Bute have been counted out? - No since he beat the count.
Was Bute KO'd? - sure..

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the bell didnt ring when Bute was rised.
so now does the rule say the bell has to ring immediately after the downed fighter has rised? No only that it by no means shall ring while the fighter is still down. theres a difference.
imo the referee should have weaved it off and ruled it as a tko win in favor of Andrade according to the IBF-rules
I wasnt in at the rules meeting and dont know what actually was in effect but the local Canadian commission rules are even more definite in that case

 

Yes.
But it is all academic now.

 

Dude with not even 1 sec not even 1 a thousandth part of a second left in the fight Bute was only required to stand up and put his gloves up in a fighting position because he was not going to be subjected to serious injury; his opponent had no time whatsoever to inflict any kind of damage to him.....

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Explain why. And then explain why the actual rules that the fight was conducted under say differently to you.

 

Explain what could have happened in the remaining zero seconds of the fight that could have caused Bute 'serious injury'?

 

that doesnt matter since he cant be saved by the bell.
Referee is not allowed to consider that.

 

I root against Bute every time, but still feel he was up well before ten (and after the bell, right?), and don't see what the all the controversy of the outcome of the fight is all about. I can understand how people are baffled by the ref acting like he forgot where he was and what he was doing all of a sudden at the end of the fight. But as I recall, you are the one around here who is the authority on the rulebook. What is the rule pertaining to this and how is it stated? Normally, the bell in any round, including the final round, cannot save a fighter. What rules was this under?

 

Still, he's fought in Romania a whopping two times.

 

We can use a stopwatch, after the fact, but this is a subjective sport.
What matters is what non-HBO people ringside see, as it happens in real time.
The referee has discretion and the ringside press have eyes & emotion.

This isn't golf or MMA; knockoutedness isn't dependent on where one's heel is.

 

He was not saved by the bell. The count continued and Bute got up before he was counted out. How many times do you need this explained?

Are you now arguing that the referee should consider the possibility of injury to the fighter when deciding whether to allow a fight to continue or that he shouldn't? So far you have argued both...