***Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Julio Cesar Chavez***

i wouldnt say he sucks but is over rated and i totally agree to his losses that he was suppose to get

 

The way franky Randell parked Chavez and dominated him for tweve rounds I have no doubt Floyd would do the same or worse.

 

I think Chavez is overrated . . . PBF by UD no doubt about it

 

Money all day baby

 

I posted this in other thread...its a breakdown of how i compare Whitaker and PBF against chavez if someone interested...

People who say PBF would dominate chavez the way whitaker and taylor did i dont see how you cant see that whitaker style and taylor were very different styles, first taylor dominated chavez because of his workrate and i know he didnt have very good defense thats why he took a beating and **** blood, broken ribs etc while he was winning the fight until the ko came, PBF doesnt have the half of workrate that taylor had(and i am a FMJ FAN) so i dont think thats an advantage for floyd... Now lets see whitaker defense compared to FMJ defense(i do believe sweetpea beat chavez)... i think sweetpea defense was all wrong for chavez, whitaker is the kind of guy that slips punches while he is countering attacking or anything while still moving and not staying in the pocket, he goes in and out with his jab and as you saw in the chavez fight he never stayed in the pocket, is the kind of defense that a fighter like chavez couldnt cut the ring because of sweetpeas footwork now compared to FMJ, yes pbf has excellent defense and one of the best atg but this is the kind of defense chavez can penetrate, pbf slip punches while staying in the pocket, back in the ropes, etc but his footwork is not compared with sweetpeas, but yes pbf uses his shoulder roll defense to handle staying in the pocket while sliping punches, the problem comes here, if you stay in the pocket against a fighter who is one of the best combination punchers(body-head) in history, even if you are great at sliping punches while staying in the pocket he will break your defense, what a boxer need to win rounds against a guy like chavez is just what sweet pea did, slip punches while running(footwork) so you dont let the guy cut the ring but thats not the way pbf defense work like i am telling you thats why i think jcc would be able to cut pbf the ring and penetrate his defense because even an excellent defense like pbf if you stay in the ropes or in the pocket against jcc he will penetrate your defense, jcc is not a head hunter, he throws cominations to the body and head, i do believe he would get caught by mayweather counter style but jcc workrate would make enough to win the close rounds and later in the fight he would break fmj down(i am not syaing ko, it might though)...
Another thing i dont agree with some people who say chavez was very slow, hell no, i am not saying he is as fast as fmj but i guess this thread is based on chavez prime not the one who faced whitaker who had lost a lot of speed, you can see his early fights, he wasnt slow, he wasnt very fast but he was above average fast, then you say he had poor defense, i really think jcc defense is one of the most underrated things here in esb, i think people needs to realize that there are fighters who come forward but still have a very good defense, and yes most of them doesnt have a very good defense(a very good example from the actuality is cotto) but there are ones with a very tought defense who gets in without getting caught cleanly, blocking and slipping some punches(the perfect example for this would be iron mike tyson), i am not saying jcc defense was as goog as tyson but you should rewatched some jcc tapes, i know you have watched plenty of his fights but most of the times you are so busy watching him how he comes forward that you dont realize how good he was as getting in without getting caught cleanly, most of the times he sacrifized being hit by a jab but he block or slip the biggest punches and when he was already inside he used his shoulder to block pretty much every hook the fighter throw at him, and the same shoulder was being use to open the opponent defense to follow with great combos to the body and head, so no i dont think he had bad defense, i think he had a very good defense, the main point why he got caught plenty of times against taylor was because of taylor workrate jcc looked like he was frustated by that and he got into a war and started throwing more combos without noticing he was getting caught with lots of punches but his chin made him the winner that night, but if you actually give space and time to try to get in(the way pbf does) jcc will get in without getting caught cleany, you frustrate him with workrate not letting him going forward with low workrate(thats what jcc used to like) and adding jcc chin to the table i think you know pbf punches wouldnt heart chavez so i think style favors chavez in this fight winning a not wide but clear decision possible ko in the late rounds(11, 12)...JMHO !!

And for the record I am huge fan of whitaker and chavez, i am a pbf fan and i respect pac...I also saw whitaker win against chavez and because of styles i would say whitaker decisions chavez prime at any weight and i do like a lot chavez just that styles makes fights...

 

PFB KO's Chavez.. If Pernell was able to beat Chavez in a dubious draw and Chavez took everything Taylor hand and overcame.. then PBF put on a clinic.. Chavez was good but had holes and took major chances.. PBF punishes Chavez has him leaking blood on his chest just like Oscar did him..

 

Oh **** I voted Maywetter by tko because I thought the thread said Chavez Jr. I vote Chavez Sr by knock out with 1 second to go....ha, naw but really a close fight, toss up

 

I guess after Mayweather puts on this "CLINIC" of Chavez , he must box circles around Duran and completley shut out every non-black "slick" fighter in history. ****en ass holes...bull **** is so tiresome

 

All that talking and you never mentioned franky Randell once. Franky showed what so many boxing fans at the time were yelling, Chavez was protected. He was a warrior but king is no fool. He never let Chavez get close to a live body till he had 70 or 80 wins under his belt. He fights Taylor and he narrowly escapes from a loss. He fights whitiker and he gets a gift decision. He fought randell and was dropped and dominated by a sharp crisp jab. He fights a green de la hoya and almost dies. All top notch comp either defeated Chavez or gave him all he could handle and that's a fact.
Take off those rosey shades of yesteryear and remember Chavez for what he was not his fabricated legend. Floyd wins just like every A class fighter he fought.

 

Further proof of how extremely overrated PBF has become. His cherry-picking continues to fool some of you.

He beats a couple of great over the hill fighters and some of you are convinced he will do the same to a prime Chavez.

 

I love it.

Hypocrite ftw.

 

Another goody.

 

Floyd UD

 

Chavez will murder the ****, PBF ai'nt Whitaker, PBF is gets a Taylor style hammering but only quicker..........absolutly no escape for the so called & much vaunted shoulder roll king

He's made for Chavez as unlike Taylor he'll not be unloading & fighting of the front foot which helped Taylor minimise the Chavez onslaught & still look what happened to him:scaredas:

Mayweather is'nt in the same league as Pernell in speed & tactical nous or have the required offence to keep Chavez at bay & his style of defence is a death trap as he's nothing that can off-set/deter the Chavez assault.......

Mayweather just has'nt the required tools to last 12 rounds & gets smashed up by 10. How the **** can he win this fight when he's got absolutly nothing in the way & style of Whitaker or the offensive speed/output of Taylor to remotely stand any realistic chance of surviving let alone winning......

Either way it's Chavez by big UD or KO/TKO being the most likely & if not thats simply down to the fact that Floyd would never get into the ring with a real champ like JCC........He'd fake another retirement & say he's training to run up Mt Everest for charity

 

Only because of this fight how sweet pea was able to tag Chavez while going backwards and score with the jab the first half of the fight I would have to say Floyd

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