Brock Lesnar proved a few things tonight...

Lol, at your lol. Go back to J tv and keep watching your WWE replays dork.

 

So if we discredit people who get the **** beat out of them then sub somebody after they gas, I guess Nog just sucked, right?

Idiots.

 

Nog PRIDE heavyweight champ. UFC heavyweight champ. MMA ATG. One of the worlds best submission artists.

Brock Lesnar WWE champion. NCAA champion. O yea and he won the UFC title vs Randy i think.

Nice comparison there :thumbsup

 

But according to all these idiots, Nog just got lucky because he got the hell beat out of him before subbing them when they were gassed.

Just going on what these idiots are saying.

 

I'm glad you agree with my points.

 

Just to clarify I said Brock CAN become the best. At present this goal is irrefutably within his sites and achievable. I then said people would BEGIN TO CONSIDER. If a guy with 8 fights has done what he has done to date plus beaten Velasquez and JDS then people with begin to think he is the next coming of christ. Those are some crazy accomplishments. He's beating the guys who have beaten out the old era and have established themselves as the new generation by doing so - Velasquez over Nog, JDS over Cro, Carwin over Mir, himself over Couture...

 

Beebs, what went down was ugly from both parties, and this is what people are going to argue are the absolute best on the planet as far as heavies.

Carwin is like the MMA version of Butterbean, completely blew his wad. What was worse was he really didn't do much to prevent Brock from going full mount. I mean, these are supposed to be the cream of the crop heavies.

Lesnar showed he has some serious ability to take punishment, and I was impressed, the manner in which he got back up to his feet looked like he just started getting warmed up. You are so damned right when you talk about how good Brock will be if he sticks with the sport. Because right now he is a freak specimen who is very raw, and able to take wade through and take out someone as dangeorus as Carwin. So yeah, I agree with that.

But. The takedown.. Be honest about it. Not impressive, he took down a guy who had no legs nor even remotely attempted to counter it. Honestly he may as well have just laid down. The sub, well yeah that's a cool sub when you surprise a guy with it. It was incredibly deliberate and done from full mount.

This isn't Nog wading through being mounted and pulling off a sub from the bottom. It's pretty much right there in front of you to see. It really was like an old throwback Coleman fight where you saw very unpolished guys compared to today standards, and one guys strength and ability shined through..

This isn't an elegant trap set up by a submission savant, it wasn't take a or take b choice at full mount reminiscant of a Fedor or Hughes punching a guys lights out or forcing them to turn around and give up the back. There wasn't anything refined or impressive about the fight, except the sheer size of the two fighters.

 

I guess where we arrive at an impass is that you dismiss brute strenght and shear explosive force as a "skill"/"ability"/attribute condusive to being the best at what you do. While other fighters may be more "polished"/"fundamentally"/"technically sound" etc. they lack the brute force that Lesnar does. That being said if either can acquire the other aspects of the game, they would be nearly unstoppable, I believe there is a greater likelihood that Lesnar can acquire more skill and technique, than I do that the other guys will acquire more size, force, explosiveness...hence I don't see Lesnar being beaten very soon. I understand and respect the fact that a purist would reject Lesnar because of his background and the percieved cheapening of the sport, but the simple truth is he's too strong, too fast, and too determined to be beaten at this point. Evolution tells us someone will come along that possesses both, but that person isn't here today.

 

Contradict yourself much?

 

I think it was quite refined how Brock locked the triangle but remembered the fundamentals of turning anti clockwise. Many fighters have made the mistake of not doing this and thus not got the sub. He also risked letting Carwin up but made the right technical adjustments to get the finish.

 

thankz for these gifz, they actually make it easy to prove how stupid your pointz are

look at the gif top right of lesnerz head bouncing back from the force of carwinz left upper cut

carwin has shown us evidence that he could be the hardest one shot hitter in MMA. that left upper cut lookz really well thrown with alot of force on it. actually quite impressive combo on carwinz part.

lmfao at turtling into the fetal position

thatz the reason he won the fight or did u miss that point :blood

 

Nog: got the **** beat out of him by Sapp. Lesnar, got the **** beat out of him by Carwin.

Lesnar: got his belt from Mir/Couture/Carwin depending on how you count, Nog: Got his belt from Herring in a tournament.


Now before I am crucified, Nog is obviously the more important fighter and has a much better legacy and likely always will.

The point is, getting beat up and winning should add to your legacy more than it takes away.

 

Calling Carwin Butterbean? Thats pretty absurd.

I really don't see why a sub from bottom is better than from top? Nog is clearly much better at subs than Lesnar could dream of, but Lesnar hit perfect form on that transition from sidemount on one side, to mount, to the arm triangle.

Yes Carwin was gassed, were CroCop and Sapp not even more gassed? Sapp was, CroCop was at least as gassed.

 

There is actually a great gif out there of Lesnar locking it up, looking to his corner, ad******g and getting it tight.

Shows he is willing to listen to his corner and learn.

Here it is:

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Brock: smart enough to check with Comprido or Paulson during a fight. To have the composure to do that after getting 6 shades of **** kicked out of you during a 5 round fight is amazing and speaks to his intelligence and willingness to learn outside of his comfort zone.

 

I also noticed this during the Couture fight he took his corners advice and was looking them right in the eye as they were giving advice. He took the advice seriously and the results spaeak for themselves.