I know Allan Green lost to Miranda, but why did Kessler outright duck him?

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  1. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Everyone who has been clued into boxing for at least the past few years is aware that Green had 60% of his intestines moved and was unhealthy in his fight with Miranda, and yes, he did lose.

    But why did Kessler outright duck him? Was it because of Miranda's very long reach and Kessler inability to fight inside? Was it because of Miranda's punching power? Or as this article from ESPN suggests, was Kessler outright SCARED?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3312534

    *ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN MARCH 26 2008

    Kessler withdraws from super middleweight fight with Miranda

    By Dan Rafael
    ESPN.com
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    A May 24 super middleweight showdown between former unified titleholder Mikkel Kessler and brash puncher Edison Miranda imploded Tuesday when Kessler withdrew from the fight.
    Miranda promoter Leon Margules of Seminole Warriors Boxing and promoter Lou DiBella, who brokered the deal on behalf of Kessler's Danish promoter Mogens Palle, both were at a loss to explain why Kessler pulled out of a fight that Showtime had already announced on its Web site.

    The sides agreed to a deal March 14 and were finalizing the paperwork when, according to Margules, Kessler agent Michael Marley informed Showtime on Tuesday that the fight was off.

    "I have no idea why he pulled out. He must be afraid to fight Miranda," Margules told ESPN.com. "We gave them everything they asked for. Showtime gave them everything they asked for."

    Margules said Showtime, which agreed to pay $1 million for the fight and beat HBO's offer, wanted the fight so badly that it even agreed to change the date of its "Showtime Championship Boxing" telecast from May 10 to May 24 to accommodate Kessler, who felt he needed additional time to train.

    "The Kessler people haven't given me an explanation," Margules said. "They're acting like we're [messing] with them. I'm outraged. If their explanation is that we didn't meet their deal points, I have their points in writing. Everything was in the contract that they asked for. They wanted it to be a 10-round fight. We gave them that because they wouldn't even discuss a 12-rounder. They insisted on all sorts of things and we gave them everything."

    Among other concessions given to Kessler: The bout would not take place on Native American property or in Florida. Seminole Warriors Boxing is a Native American-operated promotional company based in Hollywood, Fla.

    Also, Kessler was to be paid 400,000 Euros (approximately $600,000 U.S.) and Palle would retain lucrative television rights in Scandinavia, Germany and other territories.

    "They took the fight and then they backed out," Margules said. "We had a deal in writing, and although it was not signed yet, we all said, 'We have a deal.' Showtime even had the fight on its Web site. Everything was worked out and my fighter was in camp. And then, no fight."

    Margules said Marley didn't even bother to call him and that he found out from Showtime that the fight was off.

    DiBella was also disgusted with Kessler and his team.

    "I was dealing with Mogens Palle and Mike Marley. I should have expected no less," DiBella said. "I found this fight for Kessler at the request of Mogens and I spent a lot of time working on it. We sent them a contract reflecting everything they asked for. But then Mike wouldn't take my calls for a week and Mogens has been ill. No one ever came back with comments on the contract and then Mike called [Showtime's] Ken Hershman directly and blamed me, saying the contract didn't reflect the deal. Then Ken asked him why they never came back with comments on the contract and Mike changed his tune and said that Kessler had some other opportunity for a world title fight. Which is it?

    "The way in which this was handled is preposterous. If they didn't want the fight, just say so. I made an unbelievable deal for the Kessler side but they are too stupid to see it."

    Marley didn't return a telephone message or e-mail from ESPN.com seeking comment.



    Miranda, who is 2-0 since moving up to super middleweight in the wake of his May 2007 middleweight title elimination loss to Kelly Pavlik, who would go on to win the title, wasn't all that surprised that Kessler withdrew.
    The trash-talking Miranda had goaded Kessler into the accepting the fight in the first place.

    "I didn't get my hopes up because I know Kessler is afraid of me," Miranda said. "We gave him everything he wanted to make this fight and he still wouldn't take it. In fact, the only thing we didn't give him is the opportunity to tie my hands around my back while we fought. But at this point I'm willing to even give him that because I know if I yelled 'boo' at him in the ring he'd turn and run. I said it before and I'll say it again -- he should be ashamed to call himself a 'Viking Warrior.'"

    Kessler (39-1, 29 KOs), of Denmark, hasn't fought since losing his two belts via lopsided decision to Joe Calzaghe in a Nov. 3 unification fight.

    Miranda (30-2, 26 KOs), of Colombia, is one of the biggest punchers in the 168-pound division. Both of his losses came at middleweight, a controversial decision in Germany to Arthur Abraham in a 2006 title bout and the loss to Pavlik.

    Showtime has not decided what it will do about its May card.

    Dan Rafael is ESPN.com's boxing writer.
     
  2. HMSTempleGarden

    HMSTempleGarden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    it wasn't because of his punching power.

    Kessler has never been knocked down either as a pro or an amateur.

    I can't remember specifics, but he was having a lot of problems with a hand injury and then there was the fall out with Palle.
     
  3. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It basically says that Kessler was so scared of Miranda that he didn't even pick up the phone.
     
  4. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But why would he make all these demands, have the demands met, be put on an HBO card, and instead not even pick up the phone, and fight some paper champ for no exposure and money?

    Does that make any sense?
     
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  6. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Absolutely.

    Sometimes a man needs some time to look in the mirror, repair his image and save face.
     
  7. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Get your facts straight.

    Team Palle offered him the Miranda fight and offered him MORE money for a fight with Sartison for a vacated TITLE.

    He took the title fight with hopes of potentially giving Miranda a titleshot for all the media hype the fight got, but team Palle wouldn't go that route.

    And you know there were problems with team palle way before the fight for a vacated title.

    Kessler wrote on his blog a few days after Miranda took a fight with Abraham instead that he was upset with team palle that they couldn't finalize the Miranda fight, but lost to Sauerland who gave Miranda a more lucrative offer.
     
  8. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The problem with what you say and what I say is that I have an ACTUAL source, that happens to be from ESPN of all places.

    You have no credibility until you provide a non biased source
     
  9. laffie

    laffie Montreal Full Member

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    Boxers don't pick the phone. They pay their promoter to do it.
     
  10. HMSTempleGarden

    HMSTempleGarden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the fight was going to be on Showtime if memory serves me right.

    I don't know the full story why it was called off because I think Kessler would have beaten Miranda by using the jab and keeping him off balance.

    He wasn't scared, Beyer could hit also, maybe not as hard as Miranda, but Kessler manned up against Beyer and KO'd him.

    Its a strange one. Perhaps personal reason?
     
  11. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Team Palle tried to do to Kessler what they did to Mads Larsen.
    Do you honestly think Kessler was the man to finalize contracts with Miranda?! :rofl
     
  12. HMSTempleGarden

    HMSTempleGarden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    wasn't there also talk that the fight had been signed when in actual fact it hadn't?
     
  13. Escopeta

    Escopeta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    quotes from Mirandas promoters dont count as a credible non biased source either. :D
    Kessler obviously had two options to choose from.
    If he had choosen Miranda what do you think Sartisons promoter would have said?
    Kessler schooled then unbeaten Andrade there is no reason why he should have been scared to fight Miranda.
    Moneywise Kessler is a ppv attraction in Denmark anyway.
    Haussler and Perdomo were mandatory challengers

    Miranda recently turned a fight with Stieglitz down to fight Bute
    I assume he ducked Stieglitz bc he thought he had a better chance to beat Bute. It just didnt work out too well for him.. :rofl
     
  14. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    More to the question, why are you posting this topic for the third time in about three weeks?

    I mean I know you ****ed up the first time and ended up posting the actual truth by mistake because you don't read your sources before you post them...

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235535

    Do you really have nothing better to do, I'm actually getting bored of schooling you...
     
  15. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    There were actually two potential fights that we need to talk about.

    The first proposal (and it is this one to which Hendo's source refers) was for a non-title fight in Montreal, on Showtime. Kessler pulled out of negotiations for this to enforce his position as mandatory for Mundine's WBA title.

    Mundine vacated rather than face Kessler. Palle then pulled some strings with the WBA to have Miranda bumped up their rankings high enough to contend for the title and came back with a second offer for a title fight in Florida on HBO. Miranda was already by this time negotiating with Abraham for a rematch and turned down this offer. It wasn't until after Miranda turned the fight down that Sartison was even considered.

    Hendo's source does not mention the second because it was written before it happened. Hendo has though in the past accidently posted the true version of events....