Irish weight by weight rankings

yes I would. I see Macklin as duel Irish and British. He has fought for Irish and British titles and had fights in Ireland and Britain. You cannot say the same of many of the fighters on your those rankings.

Anyway you say go where the money is last month you were all telling my Lee vs Barker should be in Ireland as it would sell out 10,000 (someone even claimed 25,000) seats and its worth more money. So why are McCloskey, Lindsay and Macklin fighting in Dublin every 3 months?

 

Eligibility for the Irish title seems a pretty straightforward criteria for ranking fighters. I'd guess most other ways of doing it would have too many grey areas.

 

The EBU website that has;

Andy Murray No.4 at Lightweight
Eddie Hyland No.10 at Super Featherweight
Patrick Hyland No.11 at Featherweight
Paul Hyland No.6 at Super Bantamweight

[url]http://www.boxebu.com/[/url]

Also states what Kyrakosians next 2 fights will be and neither are against an Irishman.

 

Thats fair enough but if I was Irish i wouldn't want people fighting for the Irish title that has never had a fight in Ireland before. Can you name a British fighter that won the British title before without fighting in the UK (notice the correction?). Even a french title fight where the fighters have never had a fight in France.

To be labelled as an Irish Boxer you should have to of been born in Ireland, or had a fight in Ireland.

 

I am also still waiting for the list of British sportsman that are not British?

 

Rob, you're getting all worked up over nothing. If these fighters are eligible for Irish titles then they'll be ranked. That's just how it is.

 

Well every time i do my thread about "World Ranked British Fighters" or i get a message from loughlan and other irish posters telling me that Macklin, Lindsay , Rogan and McCloskey are not Irish. So i am just taking my opportunity to give it back.

Also was having a debate in a thread last month about Andy Lee vs Darren Barker for the european title and they were telling me "boxing is massive in ireland that fight would do 25,000 tickets" and then in this thread there excusing "irish" fighters going for the British title because of the money.

 

You haven't got a clue Rob Has Kessler ever said that he considers himself English or that he would like to fight for the British title? If so then you can gladly add him to your list. It would be more accurate than claiming Lindsay, McCloskey or any other Irish fighter who for business reasons alone fight for the British title. Like I pointed out to you before, Jamie Moore has won the Irish title, so in your eyes he must be Irish?

Regarding your comment on how bad Irish boxing is, it might interest you to know that on a population basis we are more successful than Britain in the amateur and pro game.

 

You're an idiot. I even corrected you on that other forum and yet here you are stating the same old **** again. Those in bold have at least one English parent. Many of the others you have named such as Christie, Blissett etc were raised in England having arrived here as children.

If they are not English, then 15 of the 22 players who represented Ireland in 1990 world cup aren't Irish.

And 15 of the 22 players who represented Ireland in the 1994 aren't Irish.

And Ronan O'Gara isn't Irish. Nor Andy Lee. Nor Macklin ...

That Ray Houghton fella ... the one who scored the winner against England in '88, and against Italy in 1994 ... well he was Scottish I suppose.

 

Most the people on your list at least lived in England for a period long enough to gain citizenship. Frankie Gavin has he ever lived in Ireland?

 

When Kessler fought Calzaghe he actually had the St George's Cross on his shorts. Not that means a damn thing.

Rubbish. It helps that you've manged to keep the core of you amateur side together for a prolonged period, with high profile fighters like Egan shunning the pro game.

Britain has won three golds (Harrison, Gavin & DeGale), two silvers (Haye & Khan) & six bronzes (Froch, Perkins, Murray, Saunders, Price & Jeffries), since 2000. That's more medals than Ireland.

 

You are comparing a scenario where one of Ireland's most talented and most popular boxers would be up against one of Britain's most overhyped boxers for the EBU title, to a scenario where relatively unknown guys like McCloskey and Lindsay use the British title as a stepping stone due to the fact that up until very recently there wasn't much of a boxing scene in Ireland. They are two totally different situations.

 

But i thought boxing was such a mega sport in Ireland? So for business reasons they fight in the UK??

Until the day these guys actually fight in Ireland, saying they would fight for an Irish title can also be deemed as purely for business reasons or just don't want to offend people.

Jamie Moore is a British and Irish boxer. He won British and Irish titles and had fights in both countries. You can be both but you have to of at least had a fight in Ireland to be ranked there.