Tommy Carruthers vs. prime Tank Abbott, No Rules Fight, anything goes, who wins?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Canibus81, Jul 6, 2010.


  1. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Prime for Prime I'd go with Tank only b/c he's proven to be able to fight in a setting where it's a LESS controlled enviornment pitting one man against anther.

    Demonstrations and training in ANY MARTIAL arts form doesn't prepare you for the real life situations that actual fighting will garner you. Tommy is experience and a great JKD master but there have been MANNY JKD Masters in MMA where some did well....others did not. So the only way I'd favor Tommy is if he had some credentials that proved that he can operate in a full contact match where almost anything goes....like a MMA sanctioned match.

    Love tommy by the way.:good
     
  2. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure you could beat Tank Abbot, with your Bruce Lee movie tricks :patsch

    :lol::lol::lol:

    Be real Tank would destroy you.
     
  3. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I didnt think you could be anymore ******ed that you were in a Bruce Lee thread, but this tops it
     
  4. EddieShredder

    EddieShredder DoodSlag Full Member

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    This thread is sheer awesomeness :lol:

    My 2cents worth... After boxing/thai boxing for near on 8 years, I wanted to try something else. I went to Bob Breens JKD school in London. Trained there for about 3months, and decided it really wasn't for me.... I changed up and started training mma, and now just train exclusively bjj.

    I appreciate JKD, and against your average Joe, or as a form of self defence, it's certainly better than having nothing to fall back on - BUT, in a competetive combat sport like MMA, it's going to be pretty useless.

    There's a reason you don't see JKD specialists/ninjas/kung fu masters in MMA. They'll tell you it's because their skills are deadly, and they don't want to dishonour the art etc.... the reality is that for all the flashy hand slaps and the like, a decent fighter is just going to walk through it and demolish them. Quickly.

    Watch the early Vale Tudo fights, and even first few years of MMA as we know it. You used to get guys from the more exotic martial arts turn up and compete... and they'd soon enough get pounded out by some psychotic brazilian, or redneck with a 300lb beer belly. They've not really been seen much since... in fact, the only remaining trace is dudes in skinny jeans on youtube "fighting" heavybags and cheerleaders so in awe of their powers that they've somehow lost the ability to even defend themselves, let alone fight back. Oh, and just reaffirm their secretive existence, you get the odd fanboy turn up and start trolling on forums....

    Canibus, post some videos of your heros even fighting people who will fight back and I might take a bit of notice. Until then, open your mind to the idea that there are more effective fighting styles out there.

    Oh, and in answer to the original question... Tank wins by death inside a minute.
     
  5. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Backtrack backtrack backtrack.

    I have actually fought, you haven't. You are all talk, dumb talk at that.
     
  6. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ahhh here we go with that tornament bs again. I tell you what I know boxer who claimed that he actually had ameuter credetials and went golden gloves. First time I seen him in a real fight, he got his ass whooped and than I was scratching my head how thaT HAPPENED when he actually fought aND WON some trophies. Now that I have some experience and actually trained for actuality, I understand why.

    And no my friend i'm not all talk, I understand the truth and there can only be one. Go to garydills website and look under new york charter schools. There's a phone number there for you to contact, anytime you wanna find out for yourself that JKD is all talk, you can surely come along to find out, I guarentee you'll have a different opinion afterwards. If your as confident as you say you are, you'll do it, but my hunch tells me you won't.
     
  7. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    http://www.jkd-garydill.com/schools.htm, the so called Bob Breen your referring to isn't qualified at all to teach the style of JKD and he doesn't have a black sash in JKD, and here's proof of it. There's only 1 person outside of the us that's qualified to teach it and he's from Canada. And he might of learned a little from Inasanto but that still doesn't make him qualified. So basically you only got some of the JKD concepts, you didn't get the main ingredients, I know that for a fact because I train with someone who is a JKD expert and he hasn't loss a fight yet in No Holds Barred fights. If he had videos of all his fights you guys would be talking about him 24/7 the way he's takin people apart and even all these so called trained fighters who challenged got the same treatment.

    What you need to stop doing and most of you is,stop listening to all these so called experts.
     
  8. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So you haven't actually fought then?

    And no, I've never got "my ass whooped" in a street fight, mostly because it has happened maybe twice, because I am a reasonable, adult human.

    You run your mouth about being able to beat a profesional fighter, you are delusional as ****.
     
  9. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Says the guy preaching 1 mans gospel as the only truth.

    On here we have people from all sorts of backgrounds, boxing, wrestling, bjj; we even have had a profesional MMA fighter and several ammys.

    You just worship a cult of personality, then tell others to "keep an open mind"
     
  10. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nope I don't critize anybody who learns an art, that's there right. But what I don't like is the blatantly attempt to discredit a legend because you got a bunch fakes out there who represents his style incorrectly and you guys believe it. And that's the only truth i'm making sure I elaborate, i'm not trying to discredit anybody. I'm very objective about everything and I don't listen to what another man tells because people lie all the time and only how you can do that is if you think for yourself, and 90% of the people in this country and around the world don't because the truth is always gonna be hidden. You see it with our government all the time. If they don't dumb things down, than they have less control.

    Your very bias, and it's not my problem, it's yours. Now if you choose to keep disagreeing with me after I've made many attempts to try educate you on these matters, you can continue to do so, than keep carring on, your only making yourself look bad. The truth always comes out.
     
  11. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You just said "I understand the truth and there can only be one"

    Make up your mind.

    Face it, Tank would beat your hero's ass, not to mention kill you
     
  12. achillesthegreat

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    "Who gives **** if he's an actual fighter with a fight record."

    - This line causes a major issue for anyone who wants to debate with you. It's quite simply a huge difference of opinion. Unless you are willing to backtrack on this statement then no one will ever change your mind. 95% of people in here won't disrespect proven fighters and rightly so.
     
  13. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm talking about in general. And there can only be 1 truth. I never said JKD is the only way to become in seasoned or skilled fighter, you never heard me say that. What i said is all the fakes, or people out there who claim to know JKD isn't represnting it properly because of who there getting the knowledge from. You guys keep basing you opinions on people who represent one style and than say it's ineffective because of one ****in guy. The style has a lot to do with the person who's representing it and if he isn't using it the right way,(training with the right person and training for actuality) it isn't gonna work and that's with any style or techinque but it's also logical as well, and most never use logic because sense isn't common.
     
  14. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's a very closeminded way of thinking. Of course you gonna look at fight records to a certain extent but there's many holes in that. I just gave an example of Kimbo Slice who has a fight record and where did he get his experiece from? Street fighting. And he had no formal training until he got noticed on the internet and all of a sudden they make him into this great fighter until reality set in when he loss his first fight.

    So the whole point i'm trying to make is rankings, means something to certain extent, but it doesn't make you a skilled fighter and neither does fight records. I know people who are black belts that didn't really earn it but because of the amount of time that was put in, they got their black belt and americans have watered down martial arts a lot.
     
  15. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And actual fighting doesn't garner you in a real life situation if you never developed techinque, which is everything and a key to becoming a skilled fighter. If you don't develop technique, you'll only learn how to survive and you'll look sloppy in the process, I don't care how much sparring you do or fights you have or had, your gonna still look sloppy.