Tommy Carruthers vs. prime Tank Abbott, No Rules Fight, anything goes, who wins?

I see what you are saying but not only do the people you talk of have no fight record, their martial art hasn't proven to be that effective in MMA and it's not even it's own sport.

It's not like contemplating Felix Savon in the pro ranks.

Kimbo Slice didn't get his experience from street fighting. You can cleary see in his youtube video that he has done some training, probably boxing. He then extensively trained in MMA with some of the best - Bas Rutten, ATT (I think), Rampage etc Despite all of his experience and training he was still no where close to being at contender level.

Skill is one thing, genuine fight experience is another. Application of skill in a real live situation is incredibly difficult. It can be vividly seen when you get a guy to spar for the first time. He may look quality on the bag but put him in to spar and he completely falls apart and starts ****ing up his technique. The same would happen when you put a really well trained fighter in with a guy who fights for a living. Obviously there will be exceptions but it can't be considered common and picking those exceptions would almost be like taking a shot in the dark.

 

You should make it a point to have these "experts" in JKD to step up to fight in MMA. That would prove your point or disprove it. I wish more JKD experts found their way to MMA to create attention to that form of Martial Arts....unfortunately the ones who have competed have NOT reached the levels that other MMA fighters who are experts in other Martial arts have.:huh

 

You're right in that JKD is not effective for MMA because it's is designed for no rules situations - not rule regulated combat sports. Without the ability to strike weak areas on an opponent - MMA striking becomes nothing more than kickboxing. Despite the disadvantages facing a JKD fighter in MMA - fighters such as Eric Paulson have gone on to prove themselves on the world stage of MMA. There is plenty of evidence to support the fact that JKD does lend itself to MMA as several top trainers such as Greg Nelson and Mark Delagrotte came through the JKD schools on their way to becoming top trainers in MMA. No doubt - their understanding of the combat ranges and how to train for mixed martial arts came from the foundation learned through studying Jeet Kune Do.

 

We are not trying to discredit anything here. But all you've come up with is a bunch of legends about someones abilities and a few videos of Tommy Carrythers practising/demonstrating on a static target or countering a punch which was slower than a Forrest Gump freestyle rap. We a basing our opinions on evidence and practacaltiy in a combat situation i.e. an MMA bout
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See how this Ninja with supposed mystical abilities gets his ass kicked by an arguably less technical but undoubtably no effective striker? Or maybe he wasnt trained in the true way huh?
You can't come onto a forum and conviincng a bunch of adults otherwise, try the nearest playgorund. Well on second thoughts.......
I know me or Beebs (who's owned you in every single one of his posts by the way) will convince you otherwise. But you came here asking everyones opinions and the poll suggests you are in the minority. Shut up and deal with it. And please dont kick my ass, Im no Tank Abbot

 

Actual fighing like Sparring is the best way to prepare yourself for a full contact fight. It helps you with being sharp with timing and your craft. I'm not talking about the average street fighter....I'm talking about experts in ANY martial arts or combat fighting.

The people who are "experts" who practice their "Art" become better by continuing with ongoing training but the ones who COMPETE against other top level fighters are the ones who get better, prove their skills and maintain a high level of respect for what they do.

You can have all the techincal trianing in the world and be very pleasing to the eye with that technique but in a real fight if you don't have real life, fighting experince even an expert can look like a ameture.

 

Eric actully was one JKD expert that had a decent level of sucess in MMA...not GREAT sucess but definitley respectable. It does prove that JKD is a very effective art form but doen't mean it's the absolute best. There are GREAT qualities for ALL Martial Art forms and MMA fighters utilize techniques from a wide array of these martial arts to apply what is most successful in a fight. BJJ, Wrestling, Muy thai, even boxing have all proven to be very successful techniques in MMA.

 

Alot of what is taught in some of the more fanciful martial arts is incredibly difficult to pull off in a real fight with a trained fighter.

Even punching with your thumb up and just straight fast shots have proven to be ineffective in MMA because it does not keep your opponent honest. They are blocked easily or they would smash through you and deliver blows with their bodyweight behind it. Even the kicks are not as devastating. The check kicks in MMA have been tried and in all circumstances the opponent can still charge forward without crumbling. It takes serious leg/body/head strikes to halt or finish an opponent.

Obviously MMA has some limitations but the core of JKD in terms of stance, punching, kicking, principles are very hard to execute in a real fight with a trained fighter.

 

So I should think for myself and listen too you instead? Really?
And I used a Ninja as an example because there is no video proof that a JDK fighter has ever won a fight over any MMA professional is there?

 

15 to 4 as it stands