Some questions about wrestlers in MMA...

There are some guys who aren't high level MMA fighters but have fought MMA with slightly better records; it also depends on how much value you put on different competitions, but I would tend to agree with you.

Joe Warren is a Featherweight from Team Quest who won a World Championship in Greco and would have done well in the Olympics but tested positive for pot.

Greco guys seem to have a higher rate of success than freestyle, at least Americans, but that isn't a hard and fast rule, could just be coincidence.

 

Here is a video I found a while back. It's the only one I can find like it so far. Here is the description written by the uploader:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCdGq0IIyog[/ame]

 

roger gracie is the best jiu jitsu fighter in history, based on competitive performance.

now I know someone will storm in and say rickson by armbar, but rickson came before the worldwide popularity of his sport, whereas roger is right in the middle of it, not saying he's better, but his sport jiu jitsud is.

 

Since nobody seems to have clarified this part of Popkins' original question...

In most collegiate sports, there are three tiers under the NCAA banner.

Division I is for the elite, the guys who will most likely turn pro.

Division II is for those who aren't quite good enough - or still need more work - to be Division I.

Division III is for those who are basically more talented than your average schmoe off the street, and might have done well in high school, but fall way too short in talent to ever be in Division I.

Correspondingly, the schools with prestigious programs in a given sport will be Division I schools, and the lowest will be Division III, with DII obviously in the middle.

So being a Division I NCAA champion is about the highest prestige available in "folkstyle" wrestling, just as the Olympics are the highest order in Greco/freestyle.

 

Also the term "All American" mean you placed in the top 8 in the NCAA tournament.

 

I tend to think its much harder to be a very good judoka than a very good wrestler. Need really good timing and good execution to be halfway worth a **** in Judo. And then, it's not one of those things that is very easy to find no gee training for.

Wrestling to mma is all about control on the ground and shoots. It relies way more on strength than Judo, which relies more on the above. If you are using strength with judo you are doing it wrong, its designed to not require a lot of strength, more about using leverage and taking advantage of lack of balance, learning to throw people off balance slightly to set things up, I tend to think its a bit more cerebral.. But I'd take a very skilled and talented Judoka over the same sized and same skill leveled wrestler. Seems like Judo has just a little more peak ability than wrestling does, but I could be wrong.

Ideally the ultimate grappler would master either a combo of judo and bjj, or wrestling and bjj for ultimate standup clinch control and ability to fight off of ones back. A Judoka should have some strong advantages in the standup clinch, the wrestler should have some advantages from the mount. Been noticing, maybe its just the fighters going for it, but we have seen Akiyama and Fedor succumb to subs recently from the mount, both strong Judo backgrounds and more to do with carelessness and lack of conditioning. Where a typical wrestler will muscle guys around from the top and ware them down, though of course wrestlers get caught in subs from the mount as well, just been more common for them to take the safe approach these days and grind their opponents down.. Effective, not the most entertaining thing to watch though.. Maybe it's a difference in approach from disciplines.

 

NO seriously you are not getting me whatsoever

as in completely MISSING me

PRO WRESTLERz are PAID ACTORz

and nobody does folkstyle anymore that went out with the turn of the century dont be fillin his mind with your dang hillybilly storys

yeah popkins only differenece with folkstyle is your allowed to grab the guys balls to get position

 

no arguments here roger is the best ever! he basically does the same moves every comp and no one can stop him because hes got almost perfect technique!

 

Nobody but you is talking about pro wrestling.

The guys is asking about the sport of wrestling, which includes folkstyle, freestyle, and Greco Roman.

Nothing in this post is, at all, about profesional wrestling.

 

You need really good timing and execution in wrestling as well, and the competitive environment is much harsher in the US.

 

Fedor is a perfect example of what growing up with sambo and spending a lifetime learning body mechanics can get someone. He doesn't look like much but has that mix of shocking strength and such a natural understanding of how to move people, much like a judoka, that when he grabs someone he imposes his will on them. There are a lot of times in his fights where if you didn't know better and saw him in a clinch he'd look small and slightly flabby and you'd think, "he's gonna get his ass kicked," and then a second later it's the other guy being controlled by Fedor.

Judo, sambo, BJJ, wrestling and other grappling oriented arts all have the potential to produce great fighters. If someone's going to have a background in something prior to starting MMA, it seems like the ones with grappling art backgrounds do better than the ones with striking art backgrounds save for a few exceptions. Even people like Chuck Liddell who are celebrated strikers have forgotten grappling backgrounds that don't get mentioned often.

 

i bet your one of those paid professional wrestling actors arent you ?

 

You are the only single person to be talking about professional wrestling, at all.

The guy asked about real wrestling, and for some reason you start talking about pro wrestling.