Your a trainer and a 6'4" 215 Lbs 25 year old walks into your gym?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by ripcity, Jul 10, 2010.


  1. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Unless his name is Ron Lyle Jr. I would not get my hopes up. Boxing technique is one of the hardest things to learn and it takes years to perfect it. It also has to become instinctual. One has to act and react without thinking about it. At 25 it is nearly impossible to become a world class boxer. Especially at heavyweight. The only reason Ron Lyle could do it was because he had no fear and he had the punch of a mule. Lyle was a rare exception. Had he started boxing at 19 instead of 29 he would have been legendary.
     
  2. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    most f the posts on here are terrible, you dont just turn pro its not like clicking your fingers, get him training for about ten months and give him hard work out regimen, he is 25 and heavyweights are fighting late nowadays. after ten months depending on his progression and fitness and confidence etc get him a fight, if he des well then keep him fighting on a regular basis so that he woil stay focused, after a decent amount of fights then enter him in championships in amatuers where he will get experience from different styles. then maybe after 30ish or so fights turn him pro as log as he is ready.

    what is the rush? turning pro staraight away will end up making him a joiurneyman
     
  3. puertorricane

    puertorricane Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would give him a few amateur fights and then make him a pro.. 25 is young for the higher weights... he can easily become a champion if he has heart and some smarts...

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  4. Norbix

    Norbix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No experience at age 25?? I wouldn't waste my time at all.
     
  5. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'd put him in with a featherweight journeyman and laugh as he got his ass kicked because he doesn't know how to fight and is probably too old to learn
     
  6. puertorricane

    puertorricane Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You'll be surprise how many guys start to box late on these weight classes.. from 168 and above is easy to get to the top quick you dont need that much experience as long as you're a quick learner and have some balls and athletic ability

    lol a featherweight is not kicking a 6'4" 215 guys ass.. if you believe that you're delusional

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  7. LONGROB

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    Fact,
    It takes experience to become a great fighter. There are anomolies that you can name in the course of boxing history, but they are very rare. Boxing has a lot to do with size, strenth and speed, but experience and mental fortitude are more important in my opinion. I trained for years in Vegas, and I have seen specimens that were fairly young that make your 6'4 215 lb kid look like an anorexic midget. Do you guys not think that thousands of College Basketball and Football washouts finish school at 22, and don't stroll in to their local boxing gyms. NFL washouts do it as well. You just never hear about it because they can't even hack it in a sparring session. Fighting is not like most sports. If this guy can't see himself living boxing for the next 10 years then I would not push him to be a real fighter.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes he would, a 6'4 215lber with no fighting experience is getting murdered by a seasoned featherweight and I've seen it time and again
     
  9. puertorricane

    puertorricane Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No you havent seen ****.. cause no trainer in their right mind will put their featherweight boxer to spar against a HW no matter how much difference there is in experience and if you're talking street fight that's even less likely cause on a street fight a big guy can swing wildly with no technique and if he catches the featherweight with one punch the fight is over so stop dreaming and making up stories

    I'm not talking about becoming the ATG HW or a champion but a guy with good natural abilities can start at a late age and still fight at the highest levels of boxing.. and this is more common than people think especially in the higher weight classes.. in the lower weight classes is harder but it happens... look at wilfredo vazquez jr. he started boxing with no amateur experience and is now champion.. i know he got lucky and had some great management and as soon as he fights a real fighter he'll get beat but still he's champion.. nikolai value picked up boxing at 20, miguel jimenez a friend of mind started boxing at 21 and he went to the Olympics and fought in the pros for a few yrs...

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  10. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Answering my own question.
    I think the most important thing in developing a boxer is experance. I also beleve that a good manager of a world class talent should have his client in and able to win a world championship in around 20 fights. All or most would be wins. five 4 rounders, five 6 rounders, five 8 rounders and five 10 rounders. Add in a 12 rounder or two for extra experance.
    The 4 rounders should be fought twice a month. The 6 rounders once a month. The 8 rounders once every 2-3 months and the 10/12 rounders every 3-4 months. There are expetions to this some you need to take more time with. Others you can fast track.
    With this in mind I'm going to put him in the amatures with the Olympics as the goal. Two years is not a lot of time. It has been done before. Deonty Wilider who won bronz had about 2 years experance before making the Olympic team.
    A good showing in the Olympics should give him more confidances and make him a bigger name which means that he will be more likely to get bigger fights in a few years down the road. I think the biggest obistical with a guy like this is that no one know him. Who is going to put their best boxer in with an unknown.
    I beleve that kepping him as an amature for a little bit will give him much needed experance. Also if he can make it to the Olympics and do will he will get exposier that he could not get otherwise.
     
  11. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    If I thought he potentially had talent I'd probably just point him in the direction of a better trainer, because I'd have no ****ing clue what to do.

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  12. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would say the odds are at least 1000 to 1 against anyone starting that late.
     
  13. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    You could at least have him take care of the thugs strong-arming you for damaging their mom's car.
     
  14. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    just because youre in shape doesnt give you heart... youre born a fighter, not made into one.....
     
  15. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have a real question... Something that happened to me a couple of months ago...


    A kid walks into the rec center who is 6'1" 156 lbs. And is 13 years old. Most athletic kid in the school. He can dunk a basketball, but is shite on the court. He plays football, but really likes boxing a lot. Has never done a day of boxing, but has really quick reflexes, etc.


    Is he work-with-able?