Marciano's Top Ten Opponents ...

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  1. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    To Boxed Ears and all others who were so proud of the Balboa thread, now let's try and list Rocky Marciano's top ten opponents. There is no doubt Marciano was a great fighter. The debate here circles around how great. Let's legitimately discuss his level of opposition. Any jerk off responses will be viewed as proof that poster has nothing positive to say regarding regarding Marciano's opposition ..
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    I can only name eight :

    Jersey Joe Walcott
    Ezzard Charles
    Archie Moore
    Joe Louis
    Rex Layne
    Roland LStarza
    Harry Matthews
    Don Cockell

    The rest are even less distinguished than the lesser half of the above, and you could pick two names of maybe a dozen or more, I guess you could say decent journeymen opponents.
     
  3. TheGreatA

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    In no order

    Walcott
    Charles
    Moore
    Louis
    Layne
    LaStarza
    Matthews
    Cockell
    Savold

    Number 10 could be Beshore/Reynolds/Vingo. Beshore for being a former title challenger who beat 41 year old Tiger Jack Fox, Reynolds for having a decent record if not much substance, Vingo may have had some potential. Lowry was certainly one of Marciano's toughest opponents but didn't find much success against top opposition. He did go 1-1-1 with Reynolds which tells you more about Reynolds. Shkor and Wilson were decent clubfighters with size.
     
  4. Boxed Ears

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    First time I've seen this happen. My hat off to you, he grant. Nice move.
     
  5. TheGreatA

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    I have trouble distinguishing #10. There are several contenders for that spot in my opinion.

    I do think that Marciano's top 10 has more depth than George Foreman's top 10 wins though. You have Frazier, Norton, Moorer, Lyle and then who else?
     
  6. The Mongoose

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    Marciano also fought Charles and Walcott multiple times, so just listing the names can be a bit decieving. Even if one sided loses, counting rematch versions of them, you have a top 10. I think Ali and Louis are the only Heavyweight Champions I would comfortably set above Marciano in terms of wins over quality opposition.
     
  7. he grant

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    Can I say your proud ? :good ( a sense of humor is everything. Say what you like. I'm a fan of yours!)
     
  8. he grant

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    You know what, despite the paranoia of a few this is really what I am trying to figure out. A detailed comparison ... not just names but status when the actual bouts took place.
     
  9. Pachilles

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    Lennox Lewis?

    V Klitchsko
    Tyson
    Holyfield
    Tua
    Mercer
    Bruno
    Ruddock
    McCall
    Tucker
    Morrison
    Golota

    Theres a hell of alot of serious firepower being neutralised there, for someone who is condemned to the glass jaw club
     
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    Evander Holyfield

    Tyson
    Bowe
    Lewis
    Mercer
    Moorer
    Qwai
    Dokes
    Foreman
    Holmes
    Rachman
     
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    Tyson:

    Holyfield
    Lewis
    Holmes
    Berbick
    Thomas
    Briggs
    Spinks
    Tubbs
    Tucker
    Ruddock
     
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    Holmes

    Norton
    Weaver
    Shavers
    Holyfield
    Tyson
    Witherspoon
    Berbick
    Williams
    Spinks
    Cooney
     
  13. Pachilles

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    I think a fighters condition(prime etc..) is very subjective. And the Moore, Charles, Walcott and Louis he fought would defeat everyone on Foreman's list except for Frazier. Maybe that version of Moore doesnt beat Norton.
     
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    I think Jimmy Young would have easily defeated that Louis and I'm sure you're excluding Ali from that statement entirely ...

    Norton would defeat Charles and Moore ... I think at least, .... Walcott would be tricky ..
     
  15. The Mongoose

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    Would sub Rahman and Grant for wash ups Morrison and Tucker. I for one don't think Lewis has a glass jaw. But....

    2 ATG and Golota, Rahman, Tua, and Grant were top 5 I believe around the time Lennox beat them. Overall, Lewis has an impressive 6 top 5 wins.

    However Marciano beat 4 ATG multiple times..and Layne, LaStarza, Matthews, and Cockell were top 5 at the time. Overall I think Marciano probably has an incredible 10 top 5 wins, many against the number one fighter.

    Rocky being in a more competitive era has nothing to do with it either, if Lewis faced and beat Byrd, Ruiz, and won a rematch with Vitali than we could talk about him being closer to the big three in Marciano, Ali, and Louis. But as is, he doesn't measure up.

    For perspective, Layne's scalp actually trumps anybody on Lewis' list except maybe Holyfield and Tyson. He was a top 3 fighter, avenged his only defeat and had collected wins over an ATG as well as plenty of tough rated guys like Satterfield, Turkey Thompson, Brion, and Hall. Even after Marciano he snuck in a win against a still top ranked ATG in Charles. In contrast Vitali has only beat 5 top 10 fighters in his entire career...all after the Lewis fight, non on the level of even an off night Charles.