Sailor Tom Sharkey vs. David Tua 15 rounds

Would be pretty good if these two signed to meet soon. That would be as close as we will ever get to proving which of us is correct. If they do meet, feel free to drag up this thread, I am betting Adamek lasts more than a couple of rounds.

 

Her name is Seyanni Scott. This is the only pic I've ever seen of her. Got it off a site for curvy asians.

 

Seyanni Scott is her name.

 

You are so perceptive, Seamus

 

Sharkey proved against Fitzsimmons that he could NOT take the power of a 167lbs Fitz ,TWICE.

Sharkey was there to be hit, the fact that Jeffries couldn't get rid of him in 45rds, may reflect more on Jeffries power ,than the durabilty of Sharkey's chin.
I would guess that Tua had better one shot power than Jeffries myself.
Tua wrecks Sharkey imo.

 

I am going to take a bit of a stab in the dark and say that a certain poster may have clouded your judgment on this particular issue:bbb

If Tua is going to wreck Sharkey, why couldnt he wreck Jeff Wooden, I mean Wooden could not take the power of Rahman or Maskaev. When Jeffries faced this level of fighter (eg Finnegan), he literallly made them cry in the ring. I cant see many of the guys who took Tua the distance doing the same to Jeffries. Most world class guys Tua faced not only took him the distance but actually beat him. The same cant be said for Jeffries i am afraid.

I think there is no doubt Jeffries is better (under any criteria) but i also think he is stronger and hits harder.

 

Smaller gloves and smaller men, whats Tua going to do with the old gloves? Also Jeff Wooden actually boxed pretty well vs Tua, he just didnt get hit much. No top HW has a 100% KO record.

No modern HWs will trade with Tua, they all know you must box at a distance and use the ring, the old timers were small HWs that liked to trade, it would be carnage in my opinion.

 

Well that settles it then, I didnt realise that Jeff Wooden actually boxed "pretty well" . I bet Jeffries might have been in trouble if Sharkey boxed "pretty well" alsoatsch And if you seriously want to go down this path, how do you explain Jeffries knocking out Corbett who boxed better than pretty well, whereas Tua lost to Byrd, who only really boxed pretty well? Though i suppose this doesnt really strictly equate to power, it does show which of the two was able to use their power better against boxers.

By the way, you say no heavyweight has a 100%KO record and i agree with this point. I just dont understand why Tua can have Freakish power when he slips up against nobodies and lets them go the distance, and even loses to most of the World class fighters he faces while Jeffries power is criticised because a tough and World ranked fighter took him the distance, one of the times when he had an injured arm. It just seems weird.

And one more thing, Prime John L Sullivan had a 100% Knock down record, didnt he? His only blemish seems to be the fight where he knocked the guy down about 20 times. And unlike todays fighters he only had 4 rounds to beat them in. So it isnt correct to say that no figther has the 100% record.

 

The certain poster you refer to has zero effect on my judgement, I was boxing, and following boxing before he was born.I am a fan of Jeffries ,I think he was the best heavyweight prior to Johnson ,but I do not think he was Clark Kent/Davey Crockett ,rolled in to one.
Jeffries went a total of 45rds with a 5 foot 8inch 183 lbs Sharkey ,he went 23rds with a 188lbs Corbett, he went 20rds with 167lbs Choynsky , 11 rds with 167lbs Fitz ,ten rds with 187lbs Armstrong.
Tua fought 4 men under 200lbs,197lbs,195lbs,199lbs and 197lbs , 2 of them went in 1 rd ,2 of them lasted into the 2nd rd before being stopped.
I see no evidence on his record that leads me to beleive Jeffries possessed top flight ONE PUNCH POWER.
Fighting men he outweighed by up to 65lbs ,and men who were up to 10 years older ,men who had been retired , he beat them down in drawn out wars of attrition.
Sharkeys rep for durability is based ,for the most part, on his going the distance with Jeffries, Fitz took him out twice, with one punch kos. Choynsky, who had a shaky chin went , the 20rd distance with Jeffries, to assert that this proves Choynsky was durable, is as logical as you saying that, because 6 foot 3 in 209lbs Wooden went the distance with Tua, Sharkey would.
Sharkey was a face first brawler with a come forward style, I think he matches up badly against Tua.

 

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Well every fighter can have their best day and their favourite style of opponent, Jeff Wooden did well to stay on his bike vs Tua, he still lost the fight and a look at Tua's record tells you he can punch.

Not me you mean I think hes been around long enough to have some pretty solid opinions

I know Tua is a limited fighter but laws of physics say a strong durable puncher like that is going to knockout some boxers that dont stick and move, whichever era they are from.

 

If I may gatecrash.
Byrd had been very active, he was 31 years old had recently fought the two best heavyweights in the world for their respective titles, he was 215lbs, he was coming off 2 wins only a couple of months previously.
It is accepted that good boxers are Tua's Kryptonite.

Face first ,smaller brawlers are not.
Corbett was 31 , had been retired for 2 years ,and had not won a fight in 6 years.He was also 27lbs lighter than Byrd.He nevertheless went 23rds and was leading at the time of the stoppage.
I think there is a difference ,and I beleive you do too.

 

McVey, You cannot honestly put the sub 200lb men that Tua fought in the same class as those Jeffries fought (Finnegan a possible exception). Here is the thing, a class factor (or in this case a triple class factor) will always override the size issue. Tua is given most of his trouble against Small elusive boxers. If a light hitting (and not that mobile) Chris Byrd can outbox Tua, what would Choynski or Fitz have done to him, or a mobile Jim Corbett, even an old one. I really dont think that Tua has the stamina or power to catch the Fitz that Jeffries caught. Well not the first one, anyway.

I do see your point about Sharkey having an overated chin, and not being that easy to hit. In fact i agree jeffries should have finished him. But, we all have bad fights, as others have stated on here. Tua had his bad fights, where he couldnt ko his opponents. He should have and no doubt would have in rematches, but if he injured his arm and didnt, does it have any bearing on the power he does posess? Sharkey was without a doubt one of the best 6 or 7 fighters of his era. Tua doesnt really have that good a record against the very best fighters of his era. He was outclassed by Lewis, he lost to ike, he lost to Byrd, He drew with Rahman, He lost on at least one scorecard to Cisse Salif, just recently he couldnt KO Friday Ahunya. If Tua cant score the KO against all these fighters (not counting the second raters that he didnt Ko, though i am sure he would have on most nights), then dont you have to start to question that power a little, when you are comparing it to an all time great like jeffries?

How about compare their records against fighters who were not really at teh upper echellon of the sport, this might give you an indication of power, since they would have both had the ability to pretty much land at will and hurt those guys. Whose record looks more impressive?

Fair enough, i was just making the point. You surely dont think wooden beats Sharkey, more often than not, do you? And looking at Sharkeys record, he is no slouch in the power department either?