Sailor Tom Sharkey vs. David Tua 15 rounds

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  1. Pusnuts

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    Tua needs a better agent, he hasnt "lost to most of the World class fighters he faces", hes knocked most of them out!
    All this while never being wobbled, let alone knocked down, his chin is one the best ever, never mind his punching power, the man deserves credit.
    Great past contenders like Quarry and Chuvalo could only dream of that combination of assets.

    Tua's knocked out the following one-time belt holders:

    Maskaev
    Ruiz
    Rahman (bad stoppage but I believe it didnt alter the result)
    Moorer (past his best but still ranked)

    And good fringe contenders like Oquendo, Izon, Danell Nicholson

    Hes only lost to the great Lennox Lewis and ex-champ Byrd!
    The Ibeabuchi fight should have been a draw at least I think, Tua finished stronger

    He is not an average contender, he is one the great ones like Quarry etc
     
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  3. The Mongoose

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    -Moorer was over 4 years removed from his last Ring top 10 apperance, he was not ranked.

    -Tua has only beat 2 fighters while they were actively ranked in the top ten...Rahman and Oquendo...neither top 5. In both fights he was down on points, one was a controversial stoppage.

    -Ruiz happened to get better with experience after losing to Tua.. who found his success as an experienced spoiler years down the road. A fighter is only as good as when they fought.

    IN THE GOLDEN AGE OF HEAVIES...as often described.

    -Quarry dominated 2 top 10 fighters in 73 alone in Shavers and Lyle. In 70, he beat regular top 5 Foster. In 68, top 3 Thad Spencer. In 67, he beat ATG Patterson who was still ranked in the top 5. And these are just Quarry's great wins, he has tons of solid wins comparable to Tua's wash up and unranked prospect victories..like Mathis, Brian London and 2 KO Joe Alexander.

    I'm sorry Tua can't carry Quarry's jock....:rofl

    Moore and Valdez are other contenders off the top of my head that Tua comes up considerably short against in terms of accomplishments.
     
  4. mcvey

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    I am not comparing Tua's record with Jeffries only his one punch power .

    I beleive the thread is Sharkey v Tua ,not Jeffries.

    Jeffries sub 200lbs opponents ? Do you mean just about all of them then?

    Tua is given most trouble by smaller light hitting boxers? Well Byrd is 6 foot , 4 inches taller than Sharkey and 30lbs heavier.[15lbs heavier than any decent figther Jeffries ever met].

    Sharkey was certainly smaller than Tua ,but elusive? No way.Tua takes him out as Ruhlin and Fitz both did twice.This was happening when Sharkey was 27 years old ,Tua couldn't ko Ahunya? No one else has either, he has only been stopped once on a tko, and Tua is 37 now ,10 years older than Sharkey was ,when he was getting kod.

    You made fun of a poster mentioning Wooden , I just pointed out that when comparing decent boxers as Byrd and Corbett you conveniently neglected to mention Corbett had been retired for 2 years and had not won a fight in 6 years ,whereas Byrd had recently fought both versions of the World Champ , and fought only 3 months previously.Add to this Byrd is a southpaw .
    I think you know this, usually you are very evenhanded ,so I guess you were being a little mischievious .
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Too bad you can't carry accomplishments into the ring. Head to head, Tua would waste Quarry... and I mean the results would look like Foster-Mike Quarry. I guess that speaks volumes of the supposed "Golden Age" of heavyweights.

    I think McVey has stated the case best here in terms of the laughable match-up that is Sharkey v Tua, a fight that no commission in existence would ever allow to occur. And yet, I am to believe that the man who was dragged to such extremes by this lil' dynamo from the wharf, the giant of his times whose lone attributes seem to be he was larger and younger than his opponents, would last more than a few rounds with a guy who proved Tua's equal in Ibeabuchi. OK... that makes lots of sense.
     
  6. The Mongoose

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    -Too bad head to head means dick. Seems like Vitali, Tua's greatest accomplishments will only exist in the minds of their more rabid fans. Well lets not insult Vitali too much, he did manage to briefly win the Ring title, an alphabet belt, and beat four top 10 opponents.

    -Yeah..speaking of great fantasy accomplishments. This thread just moved Tua up my ATG list.
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    It's really not the greatness of Tua, rather the relative lacking of one era compared to another and the absolute denial of this patently obvious disparity by a small cadre of enthusiasts.
     
  8. The Mongoose

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    If Tua couldn't beat the top 5 of his own era he probably isn't going to do it no matter where you place him in history. Even Quarry would probably clean out everyone and somehow lose to Jeffries...its about the fighter and their capabilites, not the time. Could be wrong, but that makes sense too me. Generally what you have is a bunch of excuses...if only I was born 10 years earlier..or this case..a 100+.

    Who knows I could go back in time with an assault rifle and conquer the world...or maybe I would just get shot with an arrow in an ambush because I was never a great warrior to begin with.
     
  9. Seamus

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    I agree with this.
     
  10. SuzieQ49

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    Tua over Jerry Quarry? That's a joke.
     
  11. Seamus

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    I think highly of Jerry but this is a horrible match-up. Jerry liked to box right in Tua's wheelhouse, a bad place to be. He would get hit and he would not stand up to it for 10 rounds, let alone 12. A prime Tua also has a high work-rate, also, and would dig right in with Quarry.
     
  12. The Mongoose

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    I would favor a game Quarry to give a fit Tua a beating in Foster mode and win a decision. Foster was almost as impressive a monster as Tua; never stopped outside of Quarry's brutal body assault, and winning all of his fights by knockout with some decent former contenders among his blow out victims.

    I don't think Tua pulls a Frazier, who was a relentless all time great workhorse, not a turtle that would spot rounds and bank on his power to bail him out of a hole. Tua's best chance would be a Chuvalo flash knockout after absorbing some heavy Quarry's offense...it could happen.

    As always a tale of two Quarrys..which one would show up? At any rate, win or lose this will be a very hard fight for Tua. Quarry isn't a young Ruiz, a fragile Oleg, washed up Moorer, or clubfighter Wilson. He would be second only to Lewis and on par with Byrd as the best fighter he stepped in the ring with.
     
  13. amhlilhaus

    amhlilhaus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'd extinguish your avatar quickly.

    tua wins late ko unless sharkey fouls out first.
     
  14. Pusnuts

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    Oh ****, Tua would waste Jerry Quarry, you validate his record with Brian London? :patsch

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  15. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Tua Ko's Sharkey very early.
    As for Quarry,Jerry liked to rumble,if he rumbled with Tua he gets stopped.