Manny Pacquiao vs. Prince Naseem Hamed

Barrera (second time) and Morales were very much in decline when Pacman fought them.

 

I'm kind of annoyed at myself that I wasted so much time torturing someone who has as little credibility on here as PowerPuncher. I should have realized ten pages ago that there is nothing to be gained from proving a known simpleton is a simpleton.

I have neither the time nor inclination to keep going tit-for-tat with him and the rest of the trolls who have appeared on this thread, I will simply exit with this point:

PowerPuncher is quite clearly stating here that:


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You're the one that trolled on this thread buddy.

 

You're the one who pops into threads to post one snidey line then vanish again. At least I talk boxing amongst the silly arguments. You contribute nothing whatsoever from a boxing perspective. Nothing.

 

And by the way, don't quote one of my posts again until you are ready to man up and confront the question you have been ducking for weeks now:

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As for the highlighted parts, Cotto only got knockdown once at 140 and it was a debatable knockdown to say the least.

I agree with the second highlighted part. They were so worried about fighting a 146 or 147 pound Cotto that I think they wanted or did a penalty that if Cotto weighs 1 pound over the limit that Team Cotto would have to cough up some money for doing so. To end this debate Popkins should just say 'yeah they wanted/did to drain Cotto, but Pacquiao's dominant/one sided victory clearly showed that he would have beaten a full welter Cotto.'

 

I won't be doing that though, and it's not because I'm being stubborn. Irrespective of what Roach wanted or not, weighing in 1 pound less than you did for a previous fight does not leave you any more drained or weakened. Sorry, it simply does not and I'll never concede that point because it's utterly ridiculous. 1 pound is such a tiny, insignificant amount of weight. A guy who goes through a 10-week training regime to come in at 146 does not get drained or weakened by going through a 10-week training regime to make 145 for his next fight. Just, no. Never. :-(

 

So whats your thoughts on Hamed vs Pacquiao again?

But back to your post, doesn't logic tell you that a fighter has to get drained at some point and that it does start off with a pound?....There has to be some cutoff point to when a fighter is drained or not and one pound will be the cutoff point obviously. Granted I'm a Cotto fan but I can honestly say the 145 pound catch-weight always worried me which is why I never posted much on the fight during the build up to it.

 

The "one more pound" argument doesn't cut it with me. It seems to try to prove a point by moving away from the point itself. When discussing a specific fighter, Cotto, and a specific fight, Cotto vs Pacquiao, why reduce the debate to "there has to be a line in the sand" and "one more pound could be the difference" etc. Let's instead focus on the fighter and the fight which is actually in question. Miguel Cotto weighed in at 146 vs Clottey. No mention anywhere of being drained or weakened. Miguel Cotto weighed one pound less vs Pacquiao. Sorry, absolutely no way in hell did that one pound make a difference to how Cotto felt in the ring the next night. Never. Ever.

 

All good points, except I don't think Mosley would handle getting down to 143/145 too easily. Expect Popkins to completely ignore your post as he does with every point on the weight issue

 

So when you've failed completely in your argument, you make up things about the poster who's owning you And then say you've won because another ****** in Addie that I've owned in the past agrees with you but when called upon to do so can't even personally dispute anything I've posted

You're too dumb to argue with me ******. I'm not even going to explain/argue with you, any more information and your head will just explode and make something up.

My basic point though was Castillo who came into the ring at 148lbs, would be stronger than the 130lb Chavez, those 18lbs are a big deal

 

If a fighter is already drained at a weight, of course an extra pound is going to make more of a difference. Cotto is naturally a chubby guy, meaning he doesnt hold weight off as well as a Floyd Mayweather or Shane Mosley when hes not in the gym, so the more he loses and the lower he has to get, the more affect its going to have on his chin and stamina.
Look at Riddick Bowe hes another example of a guy who ballooned up between fights and then took a lot of weight off and he was a heavyweight, but his operable fighting weight still created stamina and chin problems as he progressed later into his career taking all that weight off.

 

Check that again. He was hurt alot at 140 and knocked down a lot as well.

 

I'm back.

Anyways, Mosley was clearly done against Floyd.