The winner of the super 6 would of trumped Calzaghe's career in little over 2 years?

**** it, I give up, it's like talking to a wall.

 

The only difference between Abraham and some of the guys Calzaghe beat is reputation and fame. Look at how easily dominated by Dirrell he was and then you start asking questions about the rest of his wins.

A few wins ago, I'd have rated Abraham a Top 5 victory for Calzaghe - being dominated by a green fighter like Dirrell makes it a different story.

 

If Ward wins the super 6, then beats Bute, then youd say that he is well and truely on his way to superstardom.

JCs biggest scalps were Old man Hopkins and RJJ, both fighters who were well past prime.

Kessler is a decent win for JC, at the time, as was Lacy.

So Ward at his age, if he was to win the Super 6 and defeats Bute,
then it positions him to reach ATG status before his career is done -
something that JC wasnt able to achieve.

But Ward has a lot of work to do in the meantime.

 

It's interesting to me that Ward's win over Kessler is rated so highly while Calzaghe's win over Kessler is consistently denigrated.

When Calzaghe beat Kessler, Kessler was an undefeated champion in his prime. When Ward beat him, he had most likely lost a step or two since Calzaghe. There's no way that Kessler was a BETTER fighter when Ward beat him than when Calzaghe did.

 

Tells me how biased you are.
If Ward wins the super 6, Kessler would probably be his biggest win, who Joe beat when undefeated and exposed him. Then you say Calzaghes biggest win Hopkins, but fail to mention Hopkins was P4P #3 Ring LHW champ, and will more than likely be a bigger win at that time than Bute will be, IF WARD FIGHTS HIM.
You think Calzaghe didnt reach ATG status going 46-0, 21 defences, 24 title fights, and won WBO WBC WBA IBF RING SMW TITLES & RING LHW TITLE. Fair enough, if you think Ward winning a competition with the top fighter entering coming in with a loss to Calzaghe and other fighters with a lesser resume than alot of Joes opponents when entering, is better if you add Bute to the list, then OK, I guess you dont think 11 years dominance counts for much either. Fair enough

 

Beaten by facts

 

It's hard to discuss facts with somebody who ranks Veit above Abraham

 

Ive never once said I rank Veit above Abraham, thats you trying to alter what was said to suit your debate that your failing on.
What I did say was Veit has done more as a SMW tham Abraham, wish I also said was an unfair comparison, but did say when you look at Veits best wins to Abrahams that there isnt alot in it, with Veit having a win over undefeated Braehmer who is now a world champ and you saying AAs biggest win was probably the contraversial win over undefeated Miranda. I also said who has Abraham beaten that has gone on to be a world champ, like Veit has, and that Veit has only ever been beaten by world champs or fighters who have become world champs. I said Veit has done more as a SMW with his victories than Dirrell and Green, and backed it up with names for you.
Remember when you said where would I put AA if he fought Calzaghe as big victories on Joes resume and I said 11th, Veit wasnt one of those 11, as you know, so dont bend the truth of what was said to suit your arguement. Thats how rumours start

 

Ward will pass Calzaghe in like 2 years of fighting. Thats how **** Calzaghe's resume is.

Dirrell has a chance aswell considering he is actually bigger then Ward and could easily establish himself in 2 weight classes.

Chad Dawson is maybe 1 or 2 fights away from passing Calfaggy.



Its just said, the one true elite fighter that Europe has produced in the last 20 years outside the heavyweight division and he never fought the best in his primes, but instead feasted on Eurobums and C level Americans

 

Calzaghe top 5 wins

BHop, Kessler, Lacy, Eubank, Reid

if Ward wins the Super 6 his top 5 wins would look something like

Kessler, Dirrell, Green, (AA/Froch), Miranda

Calzaghe still has a better resume if that scenario occurs.

But if Ward goes on to beat Bute and WBO titlist, and 1 or 2 LHW then he can surpass Calzaghe's shitty resume.

Ward is still 26

 

Buddy, you've been twisting what I've been saying to suit yourself the whole time.

For example, I never said Miranda was Abrahams best win.

I also never said Calzaghe should have fought Abraham instead of Jones, just hypothetically, if Joe had the win Dirrell now has, where would that rank.

So what are they 10 you would rank above Abraham, just out of interest?

 

Its funny really how we all interpret who the bigger victories are. I always thought of Reid as a great fighter who had really good nights and really bad nights, on his good nights he was brilliant, just never consistant. If Reid had of been given the victory over Ottke he would have won WBC WBA & IBF titles, but didnt get it and was a bit past his best.
Still ive always ranked Joes victory over B Mitchell as higher, with Mitchell being a 2 time WBA champ, just coming off a SD against Ottke, seeing as Mitchell had drawn with 2 weight champ Girard, beaten Liles, beaten Siaca who went on to become champ beating Mundine and had a very close fight with Ottke that many thought he won.
Still I guess that is how we are all different