The winner of the super 6 would of trumped Calzaghe's career in little over 2 years?

The Ring and Boxing News both scored for Froch. I dont have to prove it ti you, because I dont care for you. Anyone who read those magazines know this. Why dont you look it up yourself? Truth must be too much for you to bare.
The Ring and Boxing News both scored for Froch as did 2 of the judges. Fact, except it, or STFU.

May well be the most talented, but he still lost to Froch and got KOd by a guy taken the distance by former WWs one of which was getting blasted out by a CW champ in Britain. All the talent in the world dosent give someone a chin and before the KO, Dirrell had been down before to a journeyman . Top class indeed
Tell me ***, if most people thought Froch won, then why is Dirrell viewed as the better fighter? Exactly. Froch is viewed as your atypical garbage Brit fighter, and Dirrell is the prototypical athletically superior American.

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Your obviously not asking me this question but ill answer for you anyway, as you seem a bit lost on here, and obviously with yourself, with all the talk of homosexuals.
I didnt know Froch was viewed as typical Brit fighter, but still at least Froch has been a world champ, Dirrell hasnt managed that, and his big win is against a former MW champ, with no great SMW resume, with a big win against who? So sure Dirrell gifted and cant beat this garbage Brit fighter. Oh and wins fights out cold, looks like he may be the new M Griffin, another top American fighter who couldnt win a world title .

Thats right ive never mentioned Huck and never said anything about him to you. Shows how your really clutching at straws trying to change the subject because you have been schooled again. What a clown you are.

atsch Haye beat the Ring champ away, the best of the division but he ducked Cunningham who lost to Wlodarczyk, and got bounced off the floor by Adamek 3 times a lighter less talented fighter. Yeah OK, you believe that if it makes you happy :yep.
Top man because Haye and Adamek moved up, that sure makes you proud I bet.

Rofl. Dirrell just fought his first 12 round fight. What the **** does that have to do with his talent level clown? Its obvious he is miles ahead then 99% of the European fighters in boxing and he's still learning. He dominated 1 of Europes best and made another look like a caveman and he's only been in one 12 round fight lol. Tell me dope, how does that feel that our prospects school your best. Put it this way that would be like glassy chin Khan schooling Mayweather. Thats the difference in levels between our country and your continent.
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And still lost to one and only got a DQ against the other who KOd him. Fact

Woods has retired atsch and you claim I have a lack of knowledge. But what your saying is that Johnson is better now than when he was rated as top LHW, Ring champ and better when he fought Dawson first time than when he fought Woods less than 2 years previous which was over a year after being the top LHW , and to think you keep saying Hopkins was over the hill for beating Tarver who beat him. How delusional. What a tit you are.

A prime 168 Toney. Course he would, when he claims he was having weight trouble and then loses at LHW (a more suitable weight for someone struggling) to D Thadzi. You really are a fool

Hopkins wouldnt fight him then. That should tell you everything a fool like you needs to know

C Mitchell was Green as well, you fool . Lets rewrite the story for you. Hopkins only drew with Mercado because he gassed, that should mean a win to you then does it? Must be why he became scared to leave America.

Yes and when Jones used it, it wasnt aloud to be used. Fact

Yes that same young 6ft 3 fighter who has been put down by, what was it 3 fights in around 22 fights and was almost gone against Johnson, against a fighter who may have been put down but got up and made the fight. Lets not pretend Joe was out on his feet when ever hes got up.

Never said he has been. This is you trying to twist things as your arguement fails again

But missed the 2 top ones Hopkins and Erdei

Showing your stupidity now when you rave about Dawson cleaning out LHW, by beating Tarver and Johnson, yet Tarver beat Johnson last and then lost to Hopkins , who as you hate to admit, lost to Calzaghe

Oh they're shot now, Dawsons words you say. Makes your defence look silly now. Still, Dawson was nearly KOd by the often losing Johnson, had he gone to Wales, we would be having a conversation about how Dawson is C level. Lets judge Dawson a bit more, if he gets by a Froch left over

Not at all. Calzaghe showed him the way, only when Kessler was undefeated and meant alot more to beat him. Ward was lucky to have got to fight an exposed fighter, and wont have to fight any undefeated fighters in the Super 6.

And??? Cunningham still lost regardless.

Born in Romania. At least try and get it right muppet

Look above. What a complete idiot you are. Bute was born in Romania.

Many do, but your probably just talking to biased Americans

So? Williams still lost first time to Quintana, and was lucky against Cintron, to be given a win in a fight many felt he was losing

Never said Pacquiao was European, please read any thread or post for proof Thicko.

You see, im not the only one who feels you have a problem, keep mentioning homosexuals.

 

Which means you're a ****ing liar who doesnt know what the **** he's talking about. I've typed in Ring scorecard, Froch vs Dirrell and same with Boxing news, and nothing comes up. Just proves your a little lying ***** who cant back up anything you say. I showed you 3 articles that had Dirrell the winner wide. I showed you that the majority of ESB had Dirrell winning. Its well known that Froch is now considered a bum and Dirrell a very talented fighter. Why is that clown? Its because nobody outside of shitty England and those ****** as judges thought Froch won that fight.
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Again with this got KO'd ****. I know you Brits only win fights by cheating. Froch hitting behind the head agianst Dirrell, Benn rabbit punching McLellan into ******ation, Calzaghe wrestling and low blowing the great Zoo into retirement, but this is too much lol. Even a weak frail Brit like you knows that you cant hit a man when hes down dont you? And that doesnt count as a KO. BEcause he was absolutely schooling that Euro bum before that Eurbum decided to take an easy way out.

Dirrell is only a couple years into his professional career. And already is viewed as the superior fighter to Froch. You see dumbass, your fighters are lesser then our prospects. Our prospects school your best. And our best like Mayweather are miles and miles ahead of your best I.e Hatton.

The reason Froch is known as a typical BRit fighter is because he has no skill, is slow, awkward, and who is good at beating shot fighters and getting gifts, but when put in the ring with a decent fighter is shown to be a fraud, I.e Hatton vs Collazo or Calfaggy against an old past it BHop.

If Dirrell fought Froch today. He'd demolish him. The only reason Dirrell didnt KO him in the first fight was his inexperience, now he'd beat Froch from pillar to post as he did in rounds 10, 11 and 12, like the low level BRit fighter he is.

Clutching at straws lol? You're the ***** who likes to bring up undefeated journeymen Eurobum fighters like it means something. If Huck hadnt gotten destroyed by Cunningham your ***** ass would be calling him a great fighter like you do bums like REid and Viet lol. So now that Huck got exposed for the Eurobum he is he no longer matters? Must be why you degrade Abraham. I bet if Abraham was undefeated lol he'd be great too!

He ducked Cunningham who was rated number 2 by the ring and he never unified. Tell me clown did Haye unify? No he didnt. Was he ever considered undisputed at cruiser? No he wasnt. Instead of unifying the titles he instead went up to heavyweight to duck the klitsckos lol. AGain another British career based on beating shot fighters and paper champions. Instead of fighting the best in the division Adamek or Cunningham Haye is busy fighting the John Ruiz of the world lol.

Proves how weak BRits are. Haye gets called a ***** on youtube and he still ducks Klitscko lol

What the hell are you talking about? Adamek is a beast. He's now beating heavyweights. There is nothing wrong with losing a close decision against Adamek. Adamek has proves his skill by fighting tough Americans. Unlike your typical Eurobum who fight once a year in Germany against a nobody lol. I fully recognize aDamek as a real champion. More Europeans should stop being pussies and follow his lead.

He lost in butt**** England. The same country which has only had 3 heavyweight champions in 100 years. THe same country that despite being 60 million people, has the same number of champions as Puerto Rico lol. There is a reason why Roy Jones never fought in Europe. You dont fight in boxing backwaters, you'll get robbed.

Dirrell would still smoke Froch and Ward and Dirrell are the 2 best super middleweights in the world. FACT.

I know that clown. Whats that have to do with anything. It was obvious that Johnson was the superior fighter before Woods retired. Johnson is still fighting on a high level. Woods got beat up by an average fighter in Tavoris Cloud.

Of course. He's far more focused. Again make a poll ***** if you think its not a fact. Johnson as you can see beat Roy Jones Jr and Tarver but then dropped decision to guys like Woods and Judah. That wouldnt happen now. The Johnson of then probably would have lost to a fighter like Yusaf Mack now he is more prepared, sparring better fighters ect.

As for Dawson there is no shame in winning a close decision against a former ring champion who is still top 3-4 in the division. He was green. It just shows that green American fighters unlike British fighters are far more willing to test themselves against the best early on in their careers. Unlike the Calzaghes, Hayes, Hattons and Khans of the world who feast on bums and avoid the best.

AGain make a poll. 168 James Toney vs Joe Calzaghe any version lol. And see what comes up. First they'll laugh at you then proceed to tell you Toney would school and demolish Joe. Joe never had elite defense, Toney would love a fighter like Joe who comes in so off balance, shot old guys with little KO power lke Jones and Hopkins can put him on his ass. You obviously never seen a prime James Toney on his game. Watch the Jirov fight and ask yourself if Calfaggy could take those shots.

And Calzaghe would have just ended up pulling out just like he did with every top figher he was supposed to face.

"Joe was always afraid"

- Warren

And what the **** does that have to do anything. A fighter with no professional experience, little amatuer experience, been in jail most of his career dropping his frst 4 round decision an MD no less, is supposed mean what exactly? Are you saying the Hopkins was at his best? That he was the Hopkins of the 2000-2005 era? Goddamn limey *** what is wrong with you lol?

There is no need to rewrite the story. EVeryone with any knowledge of boxing history knows the story. You see when boxing rec warriors like you see L and draws, you go on and on without knowing the circumstances, thats why you arent true boxing fans.

Bernard Hopkins fought MErcado at 10,000 feet in Ecuador, in a bull ring during a civil war. Are you saying that would have an effect on a fighter, that type of altitude and danger? Hopkins dominated and KO'd Mercado in the rematch, so obviously there was something different the second time around.

SEriously you really arent this dumb are you? I mean I heard british education was going down the drain but yeesh lol.

Again you ****ing clown lol. Do you kow what ripped fuel is?

Its a $10 supplement found at walmart. It wasnt banned until 2004. So it wasnt even illegal you ***.

Why doesnt your frail brit ass actually work out a little then you'd know what these over the counter supplements are.

 

Again ***. I know you like to ignore points because you are a homosexual. But how many times has Calzaghe been put down in his career?



And what does being caught off balance by the likes of Harding and Adamek have to do with Calzaghe pissing his pants every time Dawson is brought up in discussion?

Hopkins ducked him. Erdie is some Eurobum that would stand a chance, and would get dominated like Pascal dominated that other Eurobum that was supposed to be good.

Calzaghe got gift against a far more faded Hopkins then the one Tarver fought. The Hopkin that beat Tarver, beats Calfaggy easy. Hell an Old 45 year old Bhop was maybe a round or 2 from beating Calfaggy. 2 years younger. ARe you saying that was the same Hopkins? Hell Hopkins nearly lost to a fat Winky Wright and you're sayin that Calfaggy beat the same Hopkins that beat Tarver lol? Are you on steroids lol? The kind that changes men into dumb homos?

Dawson wasnt nearly KO'd. He tooked some hellashish shots but stayed on his feet and pulled out the victory. That was a green DAwson btw. Not the one that shut out Tarver and Johnson like they were nothing.

Again Dawson is a 6'3 young athletic fighter. Not a slow Lacy or robot Kessler or old Hopkins. There is no way Calfaggy would ever fight him. Dawson called him out several times and Calfaggy didnt want any. All that needs to be said.



Oh and I'll place a 3 month ban bet that Pascal doesnt win 3 rounds against Dawson.

 

You tried looking for something and didnt find it so what. The Ring and Boxing News both scored for Froch, I know this as I read it. Fact they scored for Froch, and I would have thought most fans would have at least read one of the publications

Calzaghe didnt wrestle or box Zoo. But im sure you can watch wrestling from Andre Fraud and call it infighting, whilst using his head

Dirrell still lost to Froch regardless of how hes viewed. Hatton and Maywheather isnt a good example as Floyd was an established WW asking a fighter who had only had one fight previous at the weight, (and not his last fight) to come up. Sounds a bit like Hopkins

Err Hatton beat Collazo & Calzaghe beat Hopkins . Oh and muppet, Froch beat Dirrell .

Speculation again, and not facts, facts are that Dirrell lost to Froch. I notice with you theres always a reason, inexperience, old, altitude. No they lost to better fighters.

Clutching at straws again because ive never called Reid or Veit greats, and betting on what you think I might say, is reaching again, something you do when your arguements fail. You see once again Ive not brought up Huck, this is something you do, to change a conversation, when unable to argue your corner.

Haye did unify. Once again your showing a lack of knowledge, because no he didnt win all the belts but he did unify against E Macaronnelli for his world title.
Cunningham wasnt anything special as notes he lost against Wlod, won a close return, beat Huck and lost again. When Hayes fought away and won away, a fighter with as many losses as wins in title fights isnt going to be considered a great threat.
Klitschkos are tied up. But Haye beat Ruiz, arguably Americas best HW of the last 10 long years

Do you really believe that fight wont happen?

Beating HWs yes regional American ones, who are weak compared to the rest of the division.

There may be 60 million people in Britain but I wouldnt guess that many are British by any stretch. Still your once again changing the subject, because you are failing in your original points

Its not a fact, as most rate Bute as #1 and Dirrell lost to Froch

But Woods still beat Johnson. But anyway ill let you believe that Johnsons now at his best ever, which is what you are implying.. Idiot

This is all after Johnson was Ring LHW champ. So your actually saying when Johnson was ring champ he would probably have lost to Y Mack. But has improved since. Ha ha

Thats why Calzaghe beat Hopkins the Ring champ, who beat Tarver who beat Johnson whos now so much better than ever . Just a point but Haye and Hatton have also been Ring champs, but your trying to rate Dawson for closely beating a former champ of a few years previous who is about 14 years older than him atsch.

Toney the illegal user. I have watched Toney and seen the Jirov fight, but remember Toney lost to guys like Griffin and Thadzi. Joke and the Jirov fight was at CW 2 divisions higher than what Joe was fighting at.

Please give your examples and I can destroy them like I do all your other quotes

Your not elaborating, could mean anything without the rest of the sentence

Hopkins was boxing in Prison, so lets not pretend he just laced up the gloves against Mitchell. Mitchell had no pro experience

Hopkins took the fight and didnt win. No need to hear excuses

Never said it was illegal. Read what I wrote, I said when Jones used it, it wasnt allowed to be used, and that is a FACT. Sos how stupid you are, and you talk of education going down when you cant read whats in front of you.

Read above fool. Over the counter or not, it wasnt aloud to be used. Thats a silly thing to say as some now class A drugs could once be legally bought. Jones used something to assist his performance when he shouldnt have. Cheat

 

Oh God, Bailey and MichiganWarrior posting in the same thread.

This means the apocalypse is coming iirc.

 

Sorry Cobbler, its fair to say we do get into disputes with each other

 

Ward KO1 Calslappy

 

This whole thread is based on the assumption that the super 6 boxers are infact the best 6 SMWs in the world, of which I have my doubts. Also, Joe fought many top 6 opponents throughout his reign which included past and present champions or challengers. He won all the major belts at supermiddle and moved up to have 2 successful fights at light heavy. I know B-hop and Roy were past prime but they were still semi effective, particularly Hopkins.
Whoever wins the tournament will be seen as a great fighter but to say they have surpassed an 11 year world champ is a little premature. Lets start a similar thread in 5 years time and see where we stand then eh?

 

Connor is that you? Defending your dad's career is really pointless. Everyone (who is apparently too young to have been there) can simply watch the tape and note who he fought and when he fought them. His limitations and deficiencies are obvious.

I don't bother to read your stuff but as I scrolled down skipping through to the following posts one line (name actually - Clinton Mitchell) written caught my eye ...

What do you think you know about Clinton Mitchell? I suspect you don't know anything - who would?

Except that we know details from John Scully - who fought a lot of known and reputable fighters (and some of us are more than old enough to have watched his career as well) - about many significant matchups from the US amateurs (including fights between Liles, RJJ, and McClellan) and pros .

More specifically, Scully says .. "To his credit, though...B-Hops took on a VERY tough assignment for his pro debut as Clinton Mitchell was a highly ranked light heavy in the amateurs (top 5 nationally at times) at the same time I was...he won the NYCGG and matched up with the likes of Andrew maynard etc....Hops was in DEEP for a first pro fight, definitely"


BHOP didn't start his career straight out of Graterford meeting some nonathletic dandy like Joe did in his first dozen fights ...

That was also a 4 round fight with a majority decision (1 judge had it even after 4 rounds) held in Jersey between a NY fighter and BHOP a Philly fighter.

Also, Clinton didn't fight again for a long time after that ... so rating his pro career is a bit pointless.

 

hahaha the thought of sheika, and really the rest of your list, ever beating any of the super six participants cracks me up

 

To be honest the quotes were back and forth between myself and Michiganwarrior and did trail off the subject, and were probably really just between us and not of a great deal of interest to others, probably wrong of us to clog up this space.

Still I havent rated C Mitchells career, but did say he didnt have any pro experience either, which dosent seem an unfair thing to write as it was his debut, regardless of any amateur experience (which im not saying cant assist). Hopkins could/couldnt of boxed many good fighters during his incarsaration, that due to circumstance will never come to fruition. Still who knows?

 

I would guess it could be a close fight between prime Sheika and A Green.
Sheika gave J Lacy a tough fight and Lacy was higher rated than many of the Super 6 before his first loss.

 

And he beat Glenn Johnson, which basically puts him up there with Dawson lol.