Vitali to Sugar Nico Valuev: The Worst Kind of Slavery is Slavery to Fear

I think its still Klits who hold more or less all the 'cards'. They earn plenty of $$ and are considered as the best in this division. Valuev and Haye cant get better payday from anybody else than Klits even if its not as much as you think they deserve.

Honestly? I dont see a lot of legacy in beating Valuev and Haye. Just try to imagine what ppl gonna say when Klits win those fights. "Valuev - weak boxer and Haye - a hype job."

 

I think its you who needs to rewatch the Haye Valuev fight and tell me the rounds Valuev won - its hard to win a round when you don't land a punch.
Haye didn't land many but he consistantly landed more than Valuev

Yes it a 10 point sytem but you need to understand what the points are awarded for - Haye won clearly

but we are in agreement that Vatali needs big fights now - and yes i'd be excited about a Vitali fight Valuev (even though i think Vitali wins easy)

I think you misunderstand my point about the rules - i agree with you the Klits have over-priced themselves - both of them have done it and both "champs" are now having to chase the big contenders on the internet - it is absurd aren't they rich enough? - isn't it time to consider legacy given the circumstances?

I also think Vitali/Haye is a much more exciting and closer fight and it sets up a huge fight with Waldo if Haye wins

 

Okay but you also have to ask yourself can the Klits get a better payday elsewhere? and what is the cost to their legacy if the fights don't happen?

The legacy gain for beating Valuev and/or Haye is because they are the big names of the day (for whatever reason) - all the Klits can do is fight the best/biggest names out there - thats all i want - exciting close fights - those kind of fights need to happen now for the Klits

I also really think Haye has a chance against either Klit (because of his power and speed) - There aren't many other fighters out there now that do - its a poor division at the moment the Klits are able to dominate with their size and jabs

maybe it won't be close (Haye has a suspect chin) - but i would certintly have alot more respect for either brother if they KO'd Haye - wouldn't you?

I think Vitali beats Valuev easy but i still want to see the fight just for the spectacle

Fighting Briggs proves nothing at all - Lewis destroyed him

 

Wow, I think we've found another Valuevian!

I extend the hand of friendship from one fan to the next.

And remember: CAXAP FOREVER!

 

Do they need any better payday?

NONE - at this stage, there is hardly any legacy behind Haye and Valuev.

I see we recone legacy in a completely different manner. Anyway, you suggest Klits should pay as much untill they undeserving opponents accept the deal. Why its Klits who should get a cut in their income, not the challengers?

I think Klits are something more than only 'size and jabs'

I perceive it differently. You say it would be recpectful for Klits to KO Haye, I say it would be shocking if they didnt.

i agree, just a spectacle, nothing more.

Once destroyed by Lewis you are done forever and always. :good

 

The challengers (Haye/Valuev) get a bigger cut (than normal) because the Klits need the fights more than in "normal circumstances" due to them being unpopular HW champs - because of their style and the quality of their oponents (why am I having to say the same thing over and over again??)

Come on admit it Briggs is not the same fighter he was when Lewis beat him. What does beating Briggs prove now?

Haye was undespited cruiser weight champ and he has recently destroyed Barrett and Ruiz at HW (tough guys both of whom came to fight) and has won a HW belt from a giant who is hard to beat - he has proven speed and power and is certainly a tough opponent - he is not the best fighter ever but he is the best around and that is exactly the type of fighter that the Klits NEED to fight in order to improve their image.

A victory against Haye (a skillfull and dangerous athelete) makes the Klits harder to dismiss - certainly in my eyes

 

...and winning over Haye makes them more popular? ... OK let that be, Haye is loud so that this fight may provide more viewers which makes them more popular among casual fans who never heard of them.

He has never been brilliant fighter and what makes him 'not the same' is most probably his age. Btw i dont support this fight Klit/Briggs.

Am i dreaming or you have just scored him to be the best around after being knocked down by Barret, giving a poor performance against Valuev (ye ye i know, broken hands) and being outjabbed by ancient Ruiz. Oh, undisputed CW champ as well. Yeah wins over Macca and Mormeck... i dont say its bad, but for sure its nothing as godly as you see it.

Only if Haye is what you describe him to be. But if the fight occured a total mismatch (like almost all Klits fights) it would provide nothing more than money to Klit.
Haye for you is some super hero but im not convinced with him yet. He had no tough opponent in HW and he's been here for 2 YERAS!

 

Not a super hero or godly but the most exciting HW around - who else do you suggest?

 

when was the last exciting fight of Hayes:huh Macca years ago or?.... maybe that atg great destroyer Barrett.. maybe since barrett did manage to floor the defensive master haye :think

 

****..

 

wasn't there 5/6 Knock downs in each of the Ruiz and Barrett fights - exciting stuff!

 

Vitali needs to stop hiding behind his lil brother and fight Haye.

 

Watching some 38 year old journeyman get knocked down is exciting? Boy is this how shallow boxing fans are these days. Sweet science my ass.

Fights are exciting when fighters of an equal skill and prime/peak level meet and battle it out between them. A test of skill, heart and guts. There is little excitement in seeing a guy in his best years beat up some random old dude whose prime is long past.

 

Why doesn't Haye send a public offer to Vitali for a 50-50 no options fight. I doubt Vitali could possibly decline it without losing face.

Of course that would require Haye to have an interest in the fight which at this point in time is no certainty. Why is he still hiding? The man is in his prime and he should be out there challenging and hunting down the K brothers right now, but he hasn't been in the media now since April has he?

 

Like a Klit fight you mean then? :hi: