Why i think Bob Arum is the one who killed the Pac/Floyd fight

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  1. sosolid4u09

    sosolid4u09 4 8 15 16 23 42 banned Full Member

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    Now hear me out. Of the two fighters, i much prefer Pacquiao. But i think in a fight between the two, floyd would beat manny. I have great respect for both.

    I think Arum is as much to blame as floyd, if not MORE so. At the end of the day, i dont intend to, nor do i think its possible to defend Floyd at this stage. Not just because he hasnt agreed to the fight, but more so because of his total silence (like david haye). Its not like Floyd do act in this way. So i think its difficult to defend him at this point.

    But Bob Arum has been a two faced weasel through this whole affair. He is supposed to act in the best interest of his fighter. Yet he has made things as difficult as possible for floyd. He KNOWS of Mayweathers ego. everyone does. Yet he insists on giving DEADLINES to him. In Public! Did he ever really think floyds ego would ever allow him to bow to Arums demands in this way? If he really wanted this fight to be done he would NOT have set this deadline. I understand he doesnt want to give in to floyd demands and wants to keep his pride. Thats fine. But a Deadline? Come on!

    The only things i can think of from floyds side as to why hes turned it down (apart from ducking) is that he doesnt want to fight without knowing Roger will be in his corner. And also because of the whole tax issue. He's earnt so much this year, making millions from pac fight would be more heavily taxable, which wouldn't be the case if he fought next year. As a boxing fan, those reasons arent REALLY good enough for me. But you could say ok fair enough floyd. You've done enough in your career to be able to turn down fights with those kind of excuses. But we simply haven't heard from him yet. so what is anybody supposed to think?

    Now ask yourself this question. IF Pac had a different promoter to Bob Arum, would there still be this many difficulties in negotiations? I dont think so. I think the fight would be signed by now. I find Arums tactics disgusting. He basically called out floyd in public setting a deadline he KNOW floyd would never agree to. Then Starts defending floyd, to make himself look so much better and as the bigger man. Does he think anyone really fell for that?

    Its clearly a case of Ego's. Floyd vs Arum. But Bob Arum is a boxing PROMOTER. HE should be the one acting in his fighters interest and putting SOME of his ego aside, to get this fight done. Floyd will be Floyd! He will not change. He is looking out for Himself. Who is Arum looking out for? Thats why i feel both are to blame, but more so Bob Arum. To be fair, anyone saying floyd is just plain and simply ducking pac has a very very valid case. I wouldnt disagree with that. But Arum needs to take a lot of the responsibility for all this aswel

    Both should just shut the **** up and give us this fight.
     
  2. JASPER

    JASPER Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You really cannot have it both ways . . . either it is Arums fault or PBF fault. Personally, I think Arum has been to blame from the start for all the problems
     
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  4. DLSC

    DLSC Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes. Too many big egos running around. Both camps trying to have the upper hand is going to make this fight nearly impossible to make. The boxing fans are being held hostage on this one. I concur w/ a lot of posters here when they say, JUST FIGHT DAMMIT!!
     
  5. Suga

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  6. sosolid4u09

    sosolid4u09 4 8 15 16 23 42 banned Full Member

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    why can it not be both guys fault? They are BOTH with the big ego and neither is prepared to back down even an inch to give us boxing fans what we want
     
  7. USboxer1981

    USboxer1981 The Real Def. MVP Full Member

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    Way too long to read
     
  8. Atlanta

    Atlanta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bob Arum did kill it or never tried to make it according to Jeff Mayweather and himself. He never talked to Mayweather, Haymon, or Ellerbe who make the decisions in Floyd's Career. He apparently never came off the 14 day stance which Floyd flushed immediately after the Mosley fight. Bob never actually wanted the fight, instead him and Roach just did pageantry of putting up the clock and holding the midnight conference in order to get off the hook for setting Pacquiao up with a showdown with Margarito.
     
  9. LastQuark

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    Why are you so hang up with a deadline? They have been negotiating for 2 freakin months and someone has to move on. Anyone can complete this in 1 week if Floyd is serious enough. Arum already said that Floyd can always say yes right before signing a contract with Cotto or Margo.
     
  10. Temiken

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    I blame Arum.
    Publicly calling out Floyd on a deadline was inconsiderate.
    Floyd, for the rest of his career, will be calling the shots.
    Publicly dictating to him and trying to tell him that he has to answer to someone's deadline won't work.
    I understand the need for Team PAC to have a deadline, but they could have mentioned it privately and then moved on.

    Also, if Manny didn't agree to testing up until the fight, then the deal was never serious. It was good enough for Mosely, it shoudl be good enough for anyone.

    If he wants a shot at Floyd, he must do the full testing and give at least 55% to Money May. Pretty simple really.

    I'm not saying Floyd is entitled to either, but that's just the way it is.
     
  11. SoxNation

    SoxNation Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How can you blame Mayweather? He just wants Olympic style testing. There is no reason for Pacquiao's team to turn it down unless they have something to hide and there is no reason why Floyd shouldn't be able to ask for it. All Pacquiao has to do is accept the testing and there is no valid reason not to.
     
  12. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    i think pac was the one who killed the fight. thoughts of fighting him, made floyd tentative on making the fight.
     
  13. Vanboxingfan

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    I think the money should be 50-50% and I think the test should be the one instituted by the boxing commission of whatever state they decide to fight in. Simple as that.

    Floyd is a boxer, period, if he has a problem with the way various commissions test their fighters then try changing it by lobbying the various commissions rather than dicating to his opponent what the rules are. Of course he can try doing that, but the opponent can rightfully tell him to take a hike. This is why commissions exist.

    As for the money, again he can try dictating all the terms he wants, but at the end of the day it takes two to tango.

    This doesn't just apply to Floyd, it applies equally to Pac. If both really wanted the fight to happen, it would have happened by now. Ego's don't help define your legacy, your actiions in the ring, including who you choose to fight do.
     
  14. afromagus

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    Nope floyd is to blame. Regardless of what arum is, floyd never said anything in response to what arum was saying or doing. Marked him as guilty for eternity.
     
  15. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    Too many fights arn't being made because of "negotiations" Klit-Haye, Vklit-NV, Pac-floyd.
    It's getting worse hopefully this trend doesn't continue boxing really doesn't need this.