Talk that if Ward wins the S6 and beats Bute his resume will be better than Calzaghes

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I keep hearing silly things how The winner of the Super 6 will have a better resume than Calzaghe and definately if they beat an undefeated Bute after. Very amusing.
    If Ward wins the Super 6 (as being guessed by many) how impressive is his resume/title fights really? Compared to Joes 10+ years as champ.

    Ward Wins WBA title by beating Kessler, an already exposed fighter, by Calzaghe. This will probably be Wards big SMW win.
    Defends against A Green who has arguably a lesser resume than Mkertchyan, who Joe beat.
    Defends against Dirrell a failed former title challenger whos big win is against a small former MW with no real big wins. Dirrell has arguably a lesser resume than Veit who Calzaghe beat.
    Whoever Ward defends (providing he beats Dirrell) against next in the S6 is going to have lost against someone he has beaten.
    Then say after the Super 6 he fights Bute (presuming Bute is still undefeated champ) and wins, would Bute be any better than Lacy seeing as Bute was lucky not to have a KO against him and Lacy has a better resume at this time than Bute with wins over Vanderpool and Reid.

    Add to the fact Calzaghe as a SMW beat other rated SMWs besides Kessler and Lacy when undefeated, he also has on his resume Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, B Mitchell who arguably has a better SMW resume than Froch, Brewer, Veit and Mkertchyan mentioned, Manfredo when top 10 rated, Sheika, Starie, Bika.
    44-0 as a SMW with 21 defences and won WBO WBC WBA IBF & Ring titles

    So how can it be a better resume?
    Even if he beats Dawson at LHW it wouldnt compare to beating Hopkins overall.

    I would argue that, that resume could be less than Ottkes, and would be very close to Collins SMW resume, Eubanks SMW and Kesslers overall SMW resume.

    Please explain how it would be a better SMW resume?
    Let the haters begin.
     
  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Baily, if Ward wins the Super Six and beats Bute, he will still only be about 27 or 28 and would have beaten Kessler, Dirrell, Abraham(and/or Froch), and Bute. Who do you think would've beaten better comp at the age of 28 if this were to happen; Ward or Calzahge?
     
  3. snakeface

    snakeface The Woodside Hurricane Full Member

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    to me yes. He would still have to do more for the Calzaghe diehards.
     
  4. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Ward beats Dirrell - Kessler - Green - wins his semi and the final of the Super 6 + beats Bute convincingly....HE EASILY HAS A BETTER RESUME THAN CALZAGHE !!! He'd easily be in the top 3 P4P fighters, if not #1 with Pacquiao & Mayweather retired...

    It's not even a close call !!! :hey
     
  5. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    He would have to do more. Longevity can't be ignored. However, if Ward were to win the Super Six and beat Bute, he would be well on his way to surpassing the accomplishments of Calzaghe.
     
  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree for the age its not a bad run but it isnt a better overall SMW resume and remember Wards big win will have been Kessler that Joe exposed, Dirrell as said above isnt as accomplished as Veit for example, AA small former MW champ with no real SMW or big MW wins, Froch beaten by Kessler and Bute as noted has a lesser resume than Lacy at this time.
    Still by around the age of 28 Calzaghe had beaten Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Sheika, Veit and Starie which as SMWs equates higher overall
     
  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Read the main page properly and you can see about peoples real resume other than just fighters being promoted well
     
  8. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Beating boxers with good accomplishments is important but it's only second to defeating boxers with truly superior skills.

    Would it have been a tougher, therefore bigger win for a boxer to beat the 1986 November version of Mike Tyson or the WBC better accomplished champ in Trevor Berbick ?
     
  9. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There's no substitute to beating top talent at its peak my friend.

    Calzaghe doesn't have a load of those kinds of wins. Sorry !! By the way, I truly like Calzaghe and I think he's a great talent, so I'm not saying this based on hate or anything like that.
     
  10. bigeddie27

    bigeddie27 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ward will KO Bute, this much I am certain. Ward is at least 4x the fighter calzaghe is, this is fact.
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fine you both making these claims but if you read the first page, youll see its not the case. If you wish to make a legit case for whats said, to be convincing try and disprove anything ive written or give some solid facts over to counter
     
  12. SoxNation

    SoxNation Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Beating Dirrel, Abraham, Kessler, and Bute will be better than Calzaghe's resume, especially when you add to the fact that Ward did it in a much shorter period of time. When you think about it, that's pretty embarrassing for Joe.
     
  13. snakeface

    snakeface The Woodside Hurricane Full Member

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    keep in mind: that as an amatuer boxer Ward won Gold at the 2004 Summer Olympics in the light heavyweight division, the first American boxing gold in 8 years
     
  14. UltimateOllie

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    So what, we all know that Calzaghe was badly managed and overprotected in England. But he is still better than Ward in his prime.
     
  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Whys it embarrassing? There wasnt a S6 comp then, but read the top first page and tell me how they are such better opponents.
    Joe beat Kessler, Wards big win who beat Froch who beat Dirrell who beat AA and Bute at this time has a lesser resume than Lacy. Read the first page