The reason Roberto Duran Quit

Yeh thats it John:good Back then we all new what Duran was about, Laws of nature/behaviour & boxing never applied to him.......He just blew up & to him that was the right thing to do....no thought process required as far as Duran's psychi was concerned:smoke

 

On a side note, you got to be one dumb mother****er to turn up to a multi-million dollar fight with the man you hate out of shape.

 

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That's not even a sidenote, that's the whole principle that underpins why its likely a bull**** theory.

Also, you've got to be a dumb mother****er when you are a versatile fighter and you are getting beat because you aren't fighting the right fight, and you don't change your gameplan.


hmmm, conclusion- both men won because they were very good.

 

I like your conclusion, Teeto.:good

 

:good

 

Nah, Duran was capable of all kinds of crazy ****. Arcel walked in on him just after he quit vs. Leonard in his $$$-a-night hotel suite partying with his crew and singing karaoke with his wife as if he was celebrating a win. The man was mental.

 

Just got beat by a better fighter on the night. :good

 

Fair enough.

What makes you think that? I give Duran full credit for beating a bigger, possibly greater welterweight who was in his prime. The fact that he managed to win despite being slower and less powerful is amazing.

I do think Leonard fought the wrong fight, and that the bout was pretty close, but that doesn't matter. Duran beat him fair and square, just like Leonard did in the rematch.

To me, the difference is in how they lost. Leonard fought his heart out during the 14th & 15th and a valiant effort to retain his title. That to me defines a champion. Duran quit, and I'm not saying that his entire career should boil down to that night, but it can't be forgotten, either.

 

Considering how ferociously you seem to lay into Duran on every single thread with his name on, I'm not sure how seriously I take you claims that you do give him full credit for the win in Montreal. Perhaps it's because of your inconsistency (which you just admitted to) in giving Leonard an excuse for Montreal but not one for Duran in New Orleans. Perhaps you place too much weight on one event when Duran's heart and toughness is proven in film time and time again.

 

Perhaps you're gay

 

He got the 8 million whether he was motivated or not. And by the time the contract was signed, it was too late to get in shape. Just like Leonard planned.

Another thing that nobody ever talks about is the been there done that feel of the 2nd fight. I can understand why Duran wasn't as motivated. He had already beat Leonard. What was left to prove.

Leonard had alot to prove. he had every advantage in the world going into the 2nd fight. Why would anyone exspect Duran to be the same in the 2nd fight. Do you think Frazier would have looked as good in August of 1971 if he fought Ali again.

Its really pretty simple. Duran was not in good shape for the 2nd fight, wasn't as motivated, and said the hell with it when Leonard started acting like a clown. He said he thought he would get a rematch.

I am not sure why people go on and on about how great Leonard was in the 2nd fight. he was barely beating a unmotived, out of shape Duran.

Leonard was a much better fighter in the first fight. I think the first fight might have taken too much out of Leonard to fight well 5 months later also.

 

Then the fact that Leonard did box well in the rematch, only five months after having been defeated in a grueling hard-fought encounter against a man who defeated him should still be considered pretty impressive, all things considered.

Leonard apapted and fought a smarter fight, and if Duran wasn't in a position where he could adapt, that still doesn't detract from the accomplishment,imo.

 

If I hadn't found this video as a result of your tip-off the other day, I'd probably hurl abuse back. Beautiful girl.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPB39NLBicI[/ame]

 

I gotta learn Portuguese and head to Brazil asap! :shock:

 

Yeah, what a wonderful language... all those exotic sounds. Though she does give it a rose tint.