Rate these fighters - please :)

Mexicans.

C'mon, we all love them.

There are some greats (or nearly greats) at or near the end of their careers, and i'd like you to rate them for me, in order of greatness. So, here's the list:

MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA

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Record: 66 wins, 7 losses
Significant wins: Kennedy McKinney TKO12, Naseem Hamed UD12, Erik Morales UD12, Johnny Tapia UD12, Paulie Ayala TKO12, Erik Morales UD12, Rocky Juarez SD12, Rocky Juarez UD12.



ERIK MORALES

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Record: 49 wins, 6 losses
Significant wins: Daniel Zaragoza TKO11, Junior Jones TKO4, Wayne McCullough UD12, Marco Antonio Barrera UD12, Kevin Kelley TKO7, Injin Chi UD12, Paulie Ayala UD12, Jesus Chavez UD12, Carlos Hernandez UD12, Manny Pacquiao UD12.



JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ

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Record: 50 wins, 5 losses, 1 draw
Significant wins: Manuel Medina TKO7, Derrick Gainer TD7 (one of the worst fights ever), Manny Pacquiao D12, Victor Polo UD12, Marco Antonio Barrera UD12, Rocky Juarez UD12, Joel Casamayor TKO11, Juan Diaz TKO9.



JOSE LUIS CASTILLO

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Record: 61 wins, 10 losses, 1 draw
Significant wins: Stevie Johnston MD12, Stevie Johnston D12, Cesar Bazan TKO6, Juan Lazcano UD12, Joel Casamayor SD12, Julio Diaz TKO10, Diego Corrales KO4
(and remember the Mayweather losses - he gets a bit of kudos for the closeness of the contests).



RAFAEL MARQUEZ

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Record: 39 wins, 4 losses
Significant wins: Mark Johnston SD12, Mark Johnston TKO8, Tim Austin TKO8, Mauricio Pastrana UD12, Heriberto Ruiz KO3, Mauricio Pastrana TKO8, Silence Mabuza TKO4, Silence Mabuza RTD9, Israel Vazquez RTD7, Israel Vazquez KO3.



ISRAEL VASQUEZ

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Record: 44 wins, 5 losses
Significant wins: Oscar Larios KO1, Jose Luis Valbuena TKO12, Oscar Larios TKO3, Ivan Hernandez RTD4, Jhonny Gonzalez TKO10, Rafael Marquez TKO6, Rafael Marquez SD12.



FERNANDO MONTIEL

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Record: 43 wins, 2 losses
Significant wins: Isidro Garcia TKO7, Pedro Alcazar TKO6, Ivan Hernandez KO7, Pramuansak Posuwan UD12, Z Gorres SD12, Martin Castillo KO4, Luis Maldonado TKO3, Hozumi Hasegawa TKO4.



CRISTIAN MIJARES (remember him - some good wins)

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Record: 39 wins, 6 losses
Significant wins: Gerson Guerrero TKO8, Luis Maldonado D12, Katsushige Kawashima SD12, Katsushige Kawashima TKO10, Jorge Arce UD12, Jose Navarro SD12, Alexander Munoz SD12, Chatchai Sasakul TKO3.



ANTONIO MARGARITO (tainted somewhat, but indulge me)

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Record: 38 wins, 6 losses
Significant wins: Sergio Martinez TKO7, Antonio Diaz TKO10 (fantastic fight btw), Andrew "Six Heads" Lewis TKO2, Kermit Cintron TKO5, Joshua Clottey UD12, Kemit Cintron KO6, Miguel Cotto TKO11.



OSCAR LARIOS

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Record: 63 wins, 7 losses
Significant wins: Cesar Soto UD12, Israel Vasquez TKO12, Willie Jorrin TKO1 (this should count as two wins, he was robbed in their first fight), Nedal Hussein UD12, Wayne McCullough UD12, Wayne McCullough TKO10.



Just a straight up 1-10 please; I think it would be quite easy to put them into a tier system. Oh and by the way the significant wins is just a personal opinion and by way of a guideline, and I know I may have left out some wins that others may think were significant.

And also, feel free to share any private thoughts you may have on these fighters (easy on the Margarito stuff though)

 

I considered him, but I thought the guys mentioned above had superior wins.

Jorge Arce
Record: 54 wins, 6 losses
Significant wins: Yo Sam Choi TKO6, Melchor Cob Castro TD6, Melchor Cob Castro KO5, Juanito Rubillar UD12, Hussein Hussein TKO10, Hussein Hussein TKO2, Rosendo Alvarez KO4

Tell me if I missed anyone significant out. I thought Mijares and Larios had superior resumes, plus Mijares has a win over Arce as well. And as for the Alvarez win, well Rosendo was well over the hill in my opinion.

 

Achievement.

 

I would have put Morales above Barrera actually (the Pac win is a big one for me).

Plus, I think Rafael Marquez would be high up; his bantamweight reign is criminally underrated - Austin and Johnston were borderline P-4-P entrants when he fought them.

 

He has good longevity. Lets admit it, most boxers would against Mijares (he shone bright for a short period of time).

But I think Kawashima x 2, Munoz, Navarro and Arce are better than what Jorge has on his record. And don't be fooled by the split-decisions against Munoz and Navarro; Mijares won both those fights with ease (just so happened one judge in each contest was ****ed up in the head).

 

Here's my list:

1 - Erik Morales (the Pac win is big)
2 - Marco Antonio Barrera
3 - Rafael Marquez
4 - Juan Manuel Marquez
5 - Jose Luis Castillo
6 - Israel Vasquez
7 - Fernando Montiel
8 - Antonio Margarito
9 - Oscar Larios
10 - Cristain Mijares