Who's greater - Roy Jones Jr. or Roberto Duran ?

So because 1 fighter is considered unbeatable from the ages of 29-35 and another fighter is considered beatable from the ages of 29-35, you give more kudos to the underdog? Jones was probably past prime himself from 98 onwards but managed to stay unbeaten (in a fair person's mind) for 7years past his prime. And Duran only proved his doubters wrong against the likes of Moore/Barkley who were weak titlists and not real champions by any stretch

 

Roy Jones hands down...!

 

Which is worse: A decisive decision loss to Benitez ... or a humiliating KO loss to Tarver? :think

Well, it depends on who you fight, who you beat, how you look. Duran's reign at Lightweight is one of the greatest of all time in any division. Jones' at 175 was barely one of the best at that weight alone. Duran fought better fighters, beat better fighters, was more dominant, was the man, and looked better.

Don't be so ridiculous. One performance, no matter how terrible, can't magically "cancel out" a great win, as much as you'd like to believe that it would. Again, your bias shines through. I give both fighters credit for a great win. You only give one credit.

Duran's "few good names" above his best weight (besides Leonard) include Palomino, Barkley, Moore and a great showing vs. Hagler. Jones' equivalents are Hill and Ruiz. Hardly a walk-over for Jones.

While past his prime. Nobody sensible takes into account Jones' humiliation at the hands of the great Danny Green in prime for prime match-ups, so why should Duran be treated any differently?

You know, if you take away Ali's achievements at Heavyweight, he's not that great at all. Guess Jones is better than him as well?

So you still think he was no better than Lou Del Valle? atsch Cretin.

Moore was good enough to beat an absolutely superb opponent in Kalule, a name that glitters on even SRL's record. The footage of him is there if you want to look at it. He was no turkey. And that's before you consider Duran's state at the time, the manner of the victory, the weight the fight took place at etc.

The fact that Moore's career nose-dived afterwards is about as significant as the fact that Cuevas' did the same post-Hearns.

He was ranked for four years at 160 and subsequently at higher weights, and was a multi-division titleist who actually managed to beat a top-tier ATG.

Well, for it to be a fair assessment, you'd also have to include Jones' losses. Getting layed out cold by Johnson and Tarver, slapped to death by Calzaghe and having the words "Danny Green KO1" immutably stampted on your record might somewhat swing the balance in the other direction.

Yes, that would be moronic. On the other hand, statements like "Duran was in his prime vs. Buchanan" or "Moore was comparable to Lou Del Valle" are quite the opposite...

 

By that reasoning, Jones was never a real champion. (A one-weight champion at best.)

 

Would you say Jones ever did anything good after this loss?

Also, did Duran do anything good after his to Benitez? i.e. Win a world title up another division 7 years later.

 

Indeed.

 

So would you say Jones was being beat after having nothing left where as Duran was getting beat while still having fantastic performances in him and ahead of him?

 

Moore was expected to go onto big things as soon as he won the title.Total revisionism anyone saying he was thought of as a poor champ.In fact he was a really exciting talent who was probably overhyped too early at the time.

Fair enough if anyone doesn't rate him, but i think on balance, he's become one of the more underrated fighters in recent decades, especially since the interwebz Duran backlash started.

 

Bottom Line is Roy Jones refined the art of boxing, just like Michael Jordan there where kids all over the world, attempting to do Roy Jones moves inside of the gym. The man was Michael Jordan with boxing gloves on, behind the back K.O, triple hooks, footwork.......when i think of Roy Jones he was not just a fighter.....he was a artist.

"When i think of Roy Jones i think of James Brown, i think about soul music"

Even in his shot years, against Jeff Lacy. He could still pull moves that no fighter in the world could do........

In this video below, the commontator says....at the 2min 43sec mark...

"James Brown has a song, and its called....."I can't stand myself"......and in the song it says..."I'm back".......so Roy Jones right now, he can't stand himself.......and he's back..!"

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And here's that song.....

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And thats the difference between Roy Jones and Roberto Duran. Roy Jones was more than just a fighter, he had influence on culture outside of the game.

Sometimes when i'm listening to James Brown, i shadow box like Roy Jones Junior.......

Roy Jones is up there with Usain Bolt, Michael Phelps, on share athetlic ability.....he is probably the most grifted and greatest man to ever enter a boxing ring.

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Well Jones arguably was lineal/ring at 175 after beating Tarver - thats if you don't accept Hill/Maske were 1 and 2 after Jones beat McCallum - which in essence they proved not to be in subsequent events. Jones beat 4 past/future lineal champions in Toney/Hopkins/McCallum and Tarver or Hill, he beat 20 world champions past/present/future of different descriptions. Duran beat 2 lineal champions and many less champion belt holders.

 

Jeff Lacy was expected to go onto big things too, he was more experienced though

 

Well, Jones is (was) a physical fighter who relied on physical attributes. Duran's greatness was more predicated on skills which don't go with age. As long as his reflexes and chin showed up, he could put in a proper performance.

It's natural for an older fighter to be more inconsistent. It's perfectly possible that you can just have it one night and not have it another night. (Watch Robinson/Basilio I and II and compare Robinson's performances. The difference is astonishing.) I don't think a fighter should be criticised for a loss after which they performed better any more than they should be praised for overcoming the odds or turning back the clock. A past-prime win is a past-prime win.

 

You're basing your argument on the opinion of a man who thought Jones was returning to his prime against Jeff Lacy?

 

What is your point.Ah, that's right, you're just rambling and don't really have one.I think we are all aware there are plenty of fighters of varying ability who were expected to go onto big things and did not.

What the **** does jeff lacy's status have to do with people saying Moore was a poor champion and me giving my 2cents on it.

 

No i just like the song, and what he said. Bottom line, Roy Jones has left more of a lasting affect on the sport. He was the better athlete, and the better fighter.....and achieved more mind boggling things inside of the ring.

"Watching Roy Jones was like watching Usain Bolt, or Michael Jordan"

Thats what the sport lacks these days, real true athlete's....the sport lacks soul these days.

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Kids all over the world are trying to fight like Roy Jones and pull off his moves.

The Man was Michael Jordan with Boxing Gloves on..!!!